Rationalising the fleet!

Faced with the daughter’s impending start at University in September and thus my impending need to fund around £500-£600 a month to support her living costs there, I’ve decided to sell my beloved TVR Griffith, which I have owned for 29 years to help with the finances. It’s going to hurt like hell parting with it as I have loved and cherished that car like no other and it’s undoubtedly one of the finest examples of a pre-cat TVR Griffith in the country.

If the TVR is going then the GT86 daily has to go too, because I really want to have a convertible drivers car in the house and the GT86 is a superb car to drive, but has a hard roof. I want the missus and I to continue to enjoy epic country drives at the weekends (currently the TVR offers this) so I need to replace both the GT86 and TVR with a single car that fulfills both purposes. The MX5 is the obvious choice.

I had no idea how good the MX5 actually is until I drove one for the first time last weekend. The tiny cabin is just so beautifully designed and they’ve done a fabulous job of evoking the feel of classic British sports cars with chrome rimmed gauges, faux leather and the painted metal door tops and a wonderfully small curving windscreen. It’s just so cosy and I could imagine Mrs G and I heading off on a load of road trips and adventures in the next few years in one of these. No it isn’t quite as epic as the TVR, it doesn’t sound like a Merlin engined Spitfire as it thunders across the countryside and it doesn’t have the utterly explosive way of hurling you at the horizon that the TVR does on full reheat, but it still feels special.

Looking around the market for a nice one it struck me that the finance on secondhand is so much worse than on new, that buying a lightly used 3 year old example actually results in higher monthly payments than buying a new one! I’ve never owned a new car and my wife is keen that if I’m to let my beloved TVR go, that I get a brand new MX5 to replace it. The savings on running, taxing and insuring the TVR and GT86 plus my daughter’s car which is going too, more than covers the £329 a month on PCP.

I’ve got another test drive in an MX5 booked for tomorrow and they’ve offered me what I feel is a sensible trade in on the GT86 against it.

I’ve always wanted to tour the Scottish highlands and if I had an MX5 I wouldn’t think twice of doing so, but in a 33 year old TVR you do have to consider venturing that far afield. Similarly I have always wanted to drive across the Alps to Italy or Switzerland and again the MX5 feels like it would open up these possibilities and adventures to us more easily. It’s not just about reliability either because in truth we drove around Wales in the TVR a couple of years back and it didn’t miss a beat. It’s also about things like air conditioning, lighter controls that my wife can operate, better fuel economy (40mpg in an MX5, 20mpg in a TVR - and half that if you’re trying!)

I’m curious how many others on here have swapped a classic British sports car for the MX5 and what your experience has been like?

JonathanG





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Hats off to you for persevering with the Griffith for 29 years! I gave up on my new one after only 4 years due to servicing costs / frequency, and constant trouble re-starting when hot. But wow, what a car! :zany_face:

The MX5 is also a fabulous “sports car”, fulfilling its design brief as well as the Griffith did its if not better. Enjoy!

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Finance on used cars is shocking. Banks can offer better rates.

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Beat me to the punch.

Ex neighbour had one. Everyone was very impressed bar the Porsche owner who calmly said “Give it a year”.

She’d sold it within the year after its concerted attempts to kill her. It locked her in, flooded around the pedals, refused to move the hood multiple times in rain and - the final straw - locked her in, turned off all the lights and then killed all the speed when she was flat out on the M61. After one last repair it managed to drop the windows spontaneously in a storm, flood the pedals and have a brake failure at, fortunately, 4omph.

It sounds like @JonathanG has the one which worked.

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We did that with our Fiat 124 (fundamentally an MX5 with Fiat bodywork and engine) a couple of years ago. Thoroughly to be recommended and also quite an advantage having a smaller car (compared with the XK8 which preceded it) on some of the narrower roads such as around the Italian lakes.

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Three times I nearly bought a Griffith, the most recent being less than 2 years ago.
The auspices just never fell quite right. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:
The last almost purchase resulted in my current Z4, which goes at the end of next month, to be replaced by an iX2 with all the bells and whistles. This change will close the door on my roof down adventures once and for all. The body is just not in good enough nick anymore to get in and out of convertible roadsters.
Enjoy the MX5 Jonathon, it’s a great little car👍🏼

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I have a 25th Anniversary MX5 and it’s been almost perfect over my 11 years of ownership. The only reason for ‘almost’ is that I replaced the battery a year ago. I suspect that was working less than optimally after seeing little use through the pandemic.
Plenty of options to make them louder and a bit more powerful (BBR for example) but I haven’t seen any need for that at all.
Are you going for a new one?

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I just replaced my Yamaha FJR1300 with an MX5 mk3 so not new. I’m over the moon with it. Completely different experience to the bike but in its own way it offers as much fun and satisfaction. Just different. I went for the late model Mk3 over the Mk4 because I prefer the looks and it’s less cramped. Planning a trip to Scotland in it in Sept. Driving it has been a revelation so far and it’s cheap as chips to own. Plus you don’t need chunky leg muscles to depress the clutch :grin:

I bought a new mx5 in 1999, superb gear box, rear wheel drive fun,one handed roof operation best car I ever had, redundancy forced sale.
Now driving 2022 Mini Cooper S,
Terry

Hi Gavin,

Good to hear of your positive experiences, I have never had a new car before and because parting with the Griff is such a big deal and because the 0% finance makes it attractive I am indeed looking at buying a new one. I plan to keep monthly payments low for the university years via PCP at 0% and then with a retirement lump sum will pay the £10k or whatever balloon payment and keep it in retirement for the longer term.

Buying new also means I know I’ve taken care of it and can specify the exact colour and spec I want so I’m looking at the Exclusive Line convertible (I found the Homura seats too uncomfortable for my ample physique!) probably in red metallic with the 2.0 litre engine.

I’ve used CarWOW to squeeze a couple of grand off the list, Mazda are contributing a further £1000 and they’ve offered me £11750 on the GT86. Repayments are £329 a month, which I reckon I can easily cover just from the savings on the maintenance, insurance and road tax of the two cars it is replacing. In fact given the Griffith has just cost me £1100 to get through the MOT I reckon I will be quids in!!

Looking forward to test driving one tomorrow. I took the RF out in heavy rain at the weekend so haven’t driven it with the roof down yet. I just fit thankfully, although I know there are seat lowering kits available too if I desire more headroom. I was surprised how incredibly small the luggage space is (A Griffith has about 3x the luggage capacity) and the cockpit is certainly tiny - but that also gives it a very cosy feel and I can imagine really enjoying some epic long runs in it…

It’s not really perfect as a commuting car around the M25 so I’m also planning to replace the wife’s 15 year old Saab with a Toyota BZ4X electric SUV through the work Tusker scheme and will use that some days. I worked out that we’re spending £750 a month on fuel at present which is just nuts!! We’re basically paying out on a 15 year old Saab:

£350 a month on fuel
£50 on insurance
£20 on road tax
£100 ish on servicing/maintenance
TOTAL £520 a month - to run a 15 year old Saab… The GT86 costs about the same.

When in truth I could finance a brand new Toyota SUV for the same money and Tusker cover all maintenance, tax, insurance, breakdown cover and fit a free charger in our home.

The GFV on that is about £10 000 on that too I think, so basically I will have to chuck £20k at both cars in 4 years when I retire but we will then own two japanese cars that should cost buttons to run in retirement and will support all the camping/kayaking/biking and road touring adventures we could ever want to do.

I have always bought 3-4 year old cars in the past on bank loans and run them into the ground, but part of this is about lowering our monthly outgoings, part of it is about setting us up with sensible cars for retirement and part of it is about releasing the equity in the TVR (which I hardly ever use) to cover Uni costs… The other bit is about giving me a more usable drivers car that I can really plan some trans-continental drives in without fear of it breaking down in the Alps etc.

One question to other MX5 owners - how do you find the soft top roof at motorway speeds?

JonathanG

Jonathan, that’s a lovely photo of the car outside your house…

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Haha!!! I wish!!! :wink:

J

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I would have looked really stupid, & been seriously embarrassed, if you had posted that it really was your house.

That dreadful thought occured to me moments after I posted.

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My wife is on her 3rd MX-5. A mk 2.5, a mk 3, and now a mk 4. She and I have enjoyed driving all of them.

You will also be entitled to put one of these in your rear window. :rofl:

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Can’t help on this - mine’s a folding hard top. With the top down, motorway driving is fine although the music does need to be cranked right up!


Bought unseeen when I lived in Dubai in order to enjoy when we returned to Aberdeenshire.
RF launch edition. We have only managed 8000 miles in 5 years since coming home but it’s great fun.

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Haha - that’s brilliant!! :wink:

I think the thing that has made me think about them aside from the legendary Jap reliability is the fact that the later versions grew progressively more muscular looking and a bit more masculine I guess. I think the latest version in particular is actually a really good looking car…

I’m not sure as a keen driver anybody actually needs any more than something like a GT86 or MX5. Both are stunningly rewarding to drive and you can have fun in them without breaking the law three seconds after planting your foot…



Most classic sports cars of the fifties and sixties were not actually very fast at all, they often didn’t even handle well but boy were things like the Lotus Elan, MGB and Triumph Spitfire a real hoot to drive… I think actually many car manufacturers have totally lost sight of this with their constant focus on BHP and Nurburgring lap times in development. Nobody can exercise a 200mph sub 3 second to 60 McLaren properly on the public road anyway and the bills and depreciation are just monumental. I’d argue that even my 4 litre Griffith has too much power to be ever really pushed hard on the public road.

I actually think the Japanese with those two cars in particular have reinvented the British roadsters of the golden era, but done it in a way that ensures reliability and affordability for the masses too. They should be applauded for that… The MX5 is the car British Leyland should have built… If they had done they might still exist…

I found this rather excellent series of videos on the MX5 which some of you owners may enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38SE1-1hBlI&t=14s (they actually review every variant over several videos)

JonathanG

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Not quite the same but I sold my beloved 1969 Karmann Ghia, which was in beautiful condition as I bought it from a specialist who brings them over from California, so it was a leftie.

The reasons were identical to yours however, with my eldest daughter heading off to Uni and needing to get her a car and it was a luxury too far.

I do miss it, however at least every shopping trip is quicker as typically someone would be lurking to ask some questions and have a good look around.

Good luck with the switch arounds.

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You replaced your bike :scream:

Mine stays come what may (well that’s what Mrs PW42 says and she doesn’t even ride pillion any more).

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When 4 wheels is 2 too many… My B road tundra scratcher.

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