What DSP setting are Roon users here applying to their listening?
Although I use no DSP on my regular & main ‘zone’ for Speakers, I do use some Crossfeed when listening on headphones to recreate the speaker experience, for some recordings.
My other zones have to use DSP for format conversion on the higher resolution material, as the Chromecast Audio are only 24/96 and the MM1 desktop speakers are 16/48.
IEMs are used on ARC. They can be used on the headphone rig, but I never have (and why when there a pair of Dan Clark’s there!)
On main system I use a convolution filter solely dealing with a 38 hz room induced spike which was a game changer for me with some passive room treatments.
Auto EQ custom parametric EQ for AirPods Pro with ARC.
Think most here look down on Roon never mind the thought of using dsp but each to their own.
Don’t know why.
Firstly the price of a NUC (with RAM, SSDs) to run ROCK plus a Lifetime subscription is cheaper than a UnitiCore, which is also an embedded Linux server.
Secondly the GUI and functionality of the Library management, with Tidal & Qobuz integration, is so much better than any UPnP controller.
There are lots of Roon users among forum members - it doesn’t suit everyone, but clearly does others. But how many use its DSP facility is another matter.
I’m interested in this thread as well. I used to use DSP without any knowledge on how to use it and the results weren’t very good. I had great success taking measurements and sending them to a boutique shop HAF (homeaudiofidelity) when I had my previous set of speakers and in a challenging room.
Now however I don’t do anything at all. I’ve always been curious about the right settings but I think its room/speaker depended. I did try to upsample(I think that’s the right term) but again for me, sometimes it was nice but it seemed a little unnatural. I do LOVE Volume leveling in Roon.
LMS is best as a media server. Roon is overpriced and
under specced - doesn’t have Spotify and Deezer, BBC Sounds, Radio France, Podcasts. etc. LMS is free & runs on more systems than Roon.
I have an NDX2/XPSDR/282/200DR/ ATC SCM11 and use convolution filters in Roon - I use Focus Fidelity filter designer to design the filters and this really was a game changer for me in dealing with difficult room modes. I was a previous DSP sceptic but haven’t seen any negative effects of using DSP and huge benefits.
I have used HouseCurve, an app which runs on your iPad/iPhone (with or without an external calibrated microphone) to measure in room response.
It will also generate the PEQ & convolution filters for the DSP in Roon.
But also great to see what is what, and what room treatment is needed, tried and then the effects etc. Plus any changes to setup you can run the measurements again.
Easier to use that REW.
No it does not have integrations to Spotify and Deezer. Are these lossless services?
Internet Radio is very well served by Roon however.
LMS ceased development by Logitech years ago. Yes, now supported by the ‘Community’ as OpenSource. I use to use LMS, as I started with a SequeezeBox, and using iPeng on iPhone. I then found the Naim app, with n-Stream, to be superior as a GUI based UPnP Controller.
But Roon GUI is much richer, plus there is ARC etc.
Hi, none, I bypass all the modification options - as my system sounds better without them… other than with headphones I do sometimes use one for the included filter kernels
I’m with @simon.pepper with Housecurve.
Now that the Olympics is over I intend to reuse it to take account of a sub in my main listening space.
I used Housecurve in my other listening spaces where my speakers are in ceilings or on a mezzanine; it produced a more enjoyable and engaging sound - thank you Roon and Housecurve.
This is my experience too - I tried the generated filters from HouseCurve but found I preferred the speaker system without. I use the HouseCurve room measurement to determine the effect of room treatments, speaker and listening position placement, and whether any changes are having changes for the better/worse.
I had better experience with the Convolution filters for Headphones, however having the same ‘Zone’ for Speaker and Headphones with different DSP setting was not ideal. I keep leaving the headphone setting on, and then think my speakers were blown as the filter changed the frequency response.
Hence I have a feature request into Roon for the ability to create multiple Zones for the same playback path. This way you can setup a dedicated ‘Headphones’ zone on the same streamer with different setting, rather than changing Presets each time.
If you could support this request with a Vote on the Roon forum.
Can you explain how that would work. The path is the same on my Roon setup for both speaker or headphone - since the headphones are either inserted into the DAC or amp. So I would need to change the profile any way on the Roon app for that path - which is what I do.
Roon yes! DSP no! Hang on though isn’t the Linn “Space Optimisation” nothing more than a fancy name for DSP?
Source 1, Topping D90LE Roon endpoint, tidal and qobuz subscription
Source 2, Record deck
I haven’t tried DSP, but it seems most people prefer not to use it. After a long time with the Sense app on my Zen MK2, I tried with Roon again and where before I thought the sound was better with Sense, I don’t think there is any difference now.
I’ve been thinking about upgrading my Zen MK2, but the prices of their new products are very expensive, so I’m also looking at other options. Innuo’s service and support is otherwise incredibly good. Have seen Roon come with a new music server Nucleus One, but can it even compare to Innuos? Does anyone know about that music server
At the moment, a Roon endpoint is either serving a single Zone or part of a Grouped Zone, so this is just an extension of this.
So it be a second zone for the Roon Endpoint, that has its own settings and DSP presets defaulted.
e.g. I would have ‘Living Room’ and ‘Headphones’ for the NDS/SonoreUPnP Bridge endpoint. No DSP on the ‘Living Room’ zone for playback through Speakers, but a DSP profile with Convolution and Crossfeed DSP for Headphone based playback.
I then select the appropriate zone.
but each to their own.