The Naim New Classic range - Part 1

I don’t think you can make that statement as fact. Naim has said nothing about the 282/252 so far. My guess is there will be a 300-series analog preamp (352?) to replace the 252, at a minimum.

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That’s better than CD quality, just… :wink:

Indeed, or how to switch my green logos to white…

I feel quite sure that many of the components such as chips, capacitors, transistors etc are indeed made elsewhere.
There is probably some legal thing which means the content actually “made” in Salisbury needs to be of a certain percentage in order to claim “made in Salisbury”.

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I seriously doubt anyone could tell the difference between 16/44.1 and 16/48. I’m not sure I have even seen a 16/48 file. 24/48, yes.

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I was thinking about this earlier when someone quoted products being ‘end of line’ or something.

I’d almost be tempted to say that in 10-15 years parts for modern Naim streamers might be difficult to come by, especially any custom components, whereas chances are there would always be similar if not identical basic components available for conventional boxes not utilising any/much digital circuitry.

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I think in your situation, it does look like a great option. If you are at a NDX2/PS and 282/252 it might be closer. Cymbious were suggesting the 222 was close to the 252, but were not saying what the Naim source was they were comparing to. It would seem unlikely that a system with big separate power supplies for the source, pre and power is going to be bettered by the 222 and a single PS and the new 250. Will be very interesting to get feedback once people start having demo’s. But yes, as you have the 555 and 250, a 222 looks very attractive and the best value amongst the new range.

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Laserdisc was 16/48.

Almost certainly not due to the slightly increased sampling rate but 2 channel Dolby Surround on 16/48 sounded significantly better than any compressed Dolby Digital audio track.

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Thanks for that info, so tax is on top of that?
Not sure what you mean by “over item”?
No changes for me either, I just ordered a Nagra Classic amp.

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At the end of the day comparisons will emerge

NDX2/XPSDR/NAC252/SCDR/NAP250DR

                        VS

NSC222/NPX300/NAP250

???

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I’m nitpicking I know, but I tend to agree, however going back to AppleTV, the original model had plenty of connectivity and could output lossless CD quality stereo audio via optical (eg from a local iTunes shared library with ripped CDs in ALAC format).

AppleTV 2 onwards caused me consternation because all optical (and later HDMI stereo) output was upsampled to 48 kHz which to me theoretically being a non-integer upsample would mean lots of iffy interpolation. Anyhow, I digress.

As with Amazon, Apple seem to be completely unconcerned that there’s no easy way of playing their streaming services in hi-res lossless, and they only reason they trumpet support for the formats is knowing 99.99% of people wouldn’t know this or be listening on equipment which made the slightest difference in the first place. Very sad in my view, all hype, little delivery.

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There is absolutely no way currently Naim could make/fabricate these items in house, but they will select from what they perceive to be best at a given price for different ranges and will undoubtedly source some custom components made or re-branded for them such as display or bespoke volume wheels/remotes.

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Yes, that would be the interesting one, 5 boxes versus 3. It would be an expensive swap if you already had all of the former though, but appealing, if close SQ wise, if you are moving up the ladder.

This! Far too many power supplies for different products over the years. I can understand ones at different price points but a shame they were never universally compatible for any product lines provided the appropriate interconnects were used (power only or power/audio signal).

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I thinking I’m in a pretty good position not having moved into the streaming department just quite yet so have been sitting on the fence

Most of my classic boxes run my LP12’s and will remain so , will not be changing those

So have a clean sheet of paper to think through jumping into the streaming jungle

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Mike, thanks for that clarification. I take it that would mean the NSC222 with a separate steamer with its own power supply would sound better. However, if that is the case, Naim’s new 282/252 replacement is being made with redundant dac/streamer in the box for those who upgrade. This is a rather strange compromise for such a premium product, unless they have a pure 555 preamp replacement in the wings for $$$$.

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Not necessarily. ALAC has been supported but from files on a NAS or in iTunes/Music on Macs as well as say Qobuz ALAC downloads on directly connected USB devices or SD card.

So for actual ALAC files on the network that will work provided something can present or send them to the streamer.

Apple Music however to date has only been able to max out at 256 kbps lossy AAC over Airplay 2 which is a shame seeing as Airplay 2 can do much better - Apple just haven’t implemented it yet.

Simples! You must be a human embodiment of a meerkat :laughing:

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That’s the point, Naim couldn’t possibly make all of the components and that may be the reason they now state “Designed in Salisbury” as a significant proportion of the actual content is made elsewhere.

EDIT. As has been pointed out, Naim actually state “Designed and Made in”, so had I seen / noticed this fact, I wouldn’t have posted my above comment.

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Sorry,/fixed the typo, each of the 3 new items are $11,999 then add tax which in BC is 12% and you are looking at $13,438 per box. Starting to look pretty pricey, I can buy a lot of vinyl for that!

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