Only to the extent that there is still a Thorens TD125/SME 3009 improved/Technics EPC205 Mklll in the loft. I can’t bring myself to put it into a skip, but the kids will once I’m gone, I fear…
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It’s the ‘let’s slag off the Guardian’ angle, rather than focusing on the article. It just gives the impression of right wing loonery. If I’m wrong I apologise, but that’s the impression I got from what you wrote.
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As someone who has been reading The Graun for nearly 40 years, I can say with some sense of snobbery and entitlement that it is pretty awful these days.
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The Groan long ago became infected with Buzzfeed-style snark in a pitiful attempt to attract younger readers. Back in the late 1980s, I knew the author of this piece, and even then she was always trying to be contrary, or trying to be “edgy”. The article was just clickbait, Ellen’s modus operandum and straight out of the 1980s NME playbook. She’s just a daft ageing goth that nobody takes seriously.
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HH. It does not take a “right wing loony” to slag off The Guardian. I read the FT, Telegraph, The Independent and believe it or not The Guardian. Over the last 10 yrs or so I’ve noticed most newspapers ( like a lot of society) become less balanced, and more polarised, not a good thing imho.
Gave up on paying much attention to The Guardian when it veered off to the loony left. I find it hard to find a balanced view in any newspapers currently hence reading across the spectrum. Don’t even start me on the broadcast media.
For me the article ( and hence the newspaper) pushing more stupidity by claiming that music lovers who like vinyl is elitist/ snobbery is utter tripe. Perhaps they will suggest De colonising vinyl next ?
I like the forum as its members have a wide spectrum of views, refreshing after reading the printed media. I would ask that you don’t jump to conclusions about people based on an observation on a single topic. It’s all to easy to misjudge, hey I do it myself sometimes……
PS you can be a nice person be you left, right, or centrist…….
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As I hinted elsewhere*, I’m quite a fan of Marina Hyde’s particular brand of snark, despite being an archetype of the Naim Community demographic.
* The text “hinted elsewhere” is a link to my reply in another topic which, given the way links are formatted on this site (that is, not at all), you might not notice.
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Well it’s not a particularly good piece is it?
Who is it intended to entertain? Seems as though it’s just designed to ridicule those who enjoy vinyl ?
She’ll be after philatelists next!
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I note part of HH’s post has now been edited as has part of my reply, takes away some of the context for subsequent posts and reasons for challenging some matters
They should all just stick to ‘Looney Tunes.’
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I think you’re correct.
But, the sad thing is, there will be people on this forum that’ll bookmark that page. Next time there’s a vinyl vs digital arguement; they’ll be quoting from it and claiming it to be fact.
Just you wait and see. 
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And not edited by me!! I did read the article and was horrified by the idea of someone dancing on their LPs. They have never been cheap and given the effort by the artists to get them just so, and the costs of buying them, they seem to me like something that should be cherished. I’ve always treated my vinyl with kid gloves. I’m probably one of the people being singled out. The RSD idea is certainly a good one, and I’ve bought a few, but when the highlight is another copy of some tedious Dire Straits nonsense one does worry. It’s hardly the cutting edge, rather the milking of old gits with no imagination. Which sort of gets back to the author having a point, albeit one not made as well as it might have been.
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I think the reaction here has had more to do with the now ‘edited” post which you must have missed. It was not funny at all.
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Editing posts without warning and justification is really poor, especially when no other Forum member has complained.
I don’t know the context here, but you get the irony……
Tbh I think there is a little bit of snobbery going on but I generally find it’s from newbie’s and not what I’d call traditionalists. I think it doesn’t matter how and what you listen to it’s the enjoyment of music as an art form that’s important.
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But this is exactly what occurs on the Forum, to a lesser or greater degree, word salad aside. And not just about vinyl, but also streaming and any other HiFi component. The fact that it’s a left orientated newspaper is neither here not there.
We all live in our own ideal, free to read what we want, until it gets edited without our permission.
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She hit a nerve though, didn’t she.
Can’t help but feel the reaction here has a little bit of the lady doth protesting too much about it.
.sjb
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Can you imagine the vibrations being picked up by the record player. Tut tut.
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… that’s similar to how my setup is. However, playing piano and listening to records simultaneously is a rarity over here 
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I read the article. Found it generally a bit light and empty, lazy. But I half agree on one point, there’s some snobisme in buying turntables by a large part of young people today, because it’s trendy to have a turntable at home . There’s, since some years now, a lot of movies where you can see a turntable .
The french dictionary Larousse gives two meanings for snobbery:
- Unconditional admiration for the manners and opinions in vogue in circles held to be distinguished and which manifests itself in a slavish imitation of their
- Artificial admiration for everything new, fashionable.
The second meaning suits well the tendency to buy lps by some young people today.
They don’t really care, as us here, about sound quality.
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I disagree. Arguably the lazy perspective is that the vinyl revival is all perfectly logical; based solely on sound quality; it was a disgrace it was allowed to go away and so on.
I was brought up with vinyl. I couldn’t wait to get away from it and I’ve never regretted it. All formats possess the seeds of their own destruction as time and practicality marches on. Recycled 70s vinyl was poor. Most people in the 70s listened on music centres and vinyl went away for the fairly logical reason that portability will always triumph over quality and most people didn’t really hear that quality in the first place. What they noted was that, whilst album covers could be great for skinning up, it was not especially relaxing to have to get up to turn over every 20 minutes; vinyl was far too easy to damage and storing more than 300 or so in your average flat soon became impractical.
The return of vinyl in part reflects some trends which also look backwards and I don’t mean that in a pejorative way. Nowt wrong with a format acquiring a bit of retro cool. It also reflects some peoples need for ownership when compared to streaming. Again nothing wrong with that. I can even respect the people who buy it but don’t. I owned the Origin of Species for 30 years before I finally read it. Albums can be fantastic often iconic art even when the music is bang average.
Where it becomes antagonistic is in the claims of an absolute superiority. I’ve yet to hear that. Differences are minimal and often simply preferences. Mastering trumps format. It becomes little more than fetish when people bang on about the smell of vinyl or the process of selecting and playing. Again, I’ve no issue with that per se but let’s not claim that others are missing out by not indulging or that it’s an advantage. They’re really not. It’s a fetish. Again though. Nothing wrong with that.
If it’s really about music then why do people care so much about disrespecting those who want to get to the music quicker?
I always think it’s very revealing when people say that they scanned or didn’t read it. Why? If the case is objectively sound your ego isn’t going to collapse cos a journalist disagrees. The counter arguments against vinyl are pretty solid and sane. Actually persisting with it contains an element, to varying degrees, of illogicality. Just admit that and get on with enjoying your vinyl.
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