I quite like the idea of a Naim integrated amp that is at or higher level than 552/500. That saves us the hassle of setting up/dressing the cables, saving space, fewer boxes.
Yes, certainly not going to miss that, going from 8 to just 1
I too would love a Supernait 9!
But the 3 will do, handsomely, until then
Simple solution to the heat issue Duncā¦just get the 030
Thanks for your reply.
In the first instance these issues should be resolved with the electronics and the main loudspeakers. Once resolved then a subwoofer/s should be bought into play.
Came across this earlier on today (W.I.P) -
When the mains and subs/s are effectively aligned, calibrated, dialled in and with the mains unburdened of at least the two lower octaves the difference to the overall performance is profound. And ime this is regardless of electronics and main loudspeakers used.
Nice, but I do not go there. SQ is one of the most important criteria, but there are some other factors like simplicity, room furniture harmony.
May be in years to come, but for now the 025 will do very nicely
Maybe some additional heat sinks? To put on the box or under the 025.
If the concern is extra heat in the room I donāt think additional heatsinks will help ?
The same amount of heat will be dispersed to the room ā¦ just more efficiently
Sounds like you have now made a clear decision. I wish you joy with your new purchase. How long will you have to wait until delivery?
Interesting. Though from what I understand (!) the Diapasons real challenge, not unlike the Obelisk, is big current demands for them to singā¦
I use JL Audio
Yep, its once again how I first found it and I just simply like it much better, as I reported earlier in the thread.
Will be all up and running properly next week.
The naim is all boxed up ready to go and very soon it will be the first time in my hifi history I wont have a box with naim on it, itās been fun and really enjoyable, but like everything, it comes to an end one day.
2 boxes - āminiā Statement format.
well it is interesting - for me the only things essential are my sources, since I can plug them into active speakers if needed, but I ask myself if not Naim then what?
I canāt see myself plonking down 10K for an integrated which doesnāt have the discrete regulation of a NAP 250 and then functions as a heater in my home. Amplifiers amplify, heaters heat, but I donāt want an amplifier/heater combination.
the only solution I would be interested it, maybe could be active speakers.
But yet in daily usage of 10 years, my Naims have never given any problems, theyāre fault free - and also I need to play rock, dance, metal, so the Naim amps are engineered to provide the pace rhythm and timing required.
If not Naim then what, so far in a decade I have not found a single amplifier that can compete with Naim for sheer musicality and reliability.
So I hope I am lucky to enjoy the Naim for a few more decadesā¦
Congrats to you dunc on your new purchase.
For clarification Iāve heard the top DCS Stack and the Vitus amp in this thread and it just didnāt engage me or communicate musically to me
Great thread and interesting thoughts - some quite closed minds but many more open than I have seen in the past, a sign of changing times perhaps. I think if I could get 90% of the musical enjoyment I get from Naim with 50% of the faff, it could be an interesting contest, especially for those of us in locations poorly supported by Naim
Just a heads up to the OPā¦
Your Vitus amp left permanently on in full class A mode consumes a continuous 162W (even when not playing music) - all of which it must dissipate as heat. At the average UK cost per unit of electricity of about 14 pence, after 4 yearsā continuous use adds up to about Ā£800 worth of electricity.
Of equal (or more) concern would be the effect of āslow cookingā all its electrolytic capacitors for 35000 hours (4 years). Even with high heat tolerance capacitors, you could be on fairly dodgy ground after 4 years of continuous use. It would therefore be prudent to have it recapped at this point, so make sure you know how much that will cost.
Well its been in once again over 24 hours now and learning all the time with it.
Glad to say now its more being used as i would normally use, the heat isnāt as much an issue, leaving it on, but in class A/B mode, cuts the heat massively, its gone from hot to warm, was pleased to feel it tonight after get back in from work, to find this. I guess the other times, firstly it had been on in class A for about 2 or 3 days, as i didnt know then about turning into class A/B and then the other day i once again left it in class A to warm up quickly.
But its warmer than the 500, but its not so much a problem, now i know.
The difference in sound is quite different and i am surprised that i have adjusted over to it so quickly.
It still has great pace, timing and prat. But it brings much more dynamics, details and a much more open sound than the naim had. Its like i have different speakers now and the naim just sounded quite dull in comparison. Plus i love the simplicity and no more cable issues.
Not going to slate naim as thats not fair, plus naim has given me over 20 years of engagement in music and thats got to be good. I guess the time was right for me to try something different.
But i do think naim, should bring out a much higher level integrated amp, and probably look at what they can do with the 500 series, as i did think it was the pinnacle, not so long ago, but now i feel its all quite dated and see lots moving away, thats not good, going forward.
Or per advice from Vitus, switch it to AB mode as the day-to-day stand-by, though it will still draw 90W. For longer gaps thereās full standby at <1W.
@Mr.Tibbs - Iāve also reflected on this, as Vitus looks a bit like Naim in its early years e.g. great design and ethos (via Hans-Ole, as the driving personality) and, for me, comes with the questions:
1- brand longevity? On the face of things this looks OK. Vitus looks a substantial operation and has an increasing global footprint and name in the marketplace with, so it seems, a widening network of dealers in the UK.
2- robustness of kit? The point you make around this appears highly valid - outside of the gātee period, it would be interesting to learn of what the stated needs are. I see thereās comment about North America having its own servicing capability. With Naim we can leave the boxes on to stabilise components whereas, when flicking between A & A/B and standby, I wonder whether these actions shorten component life.
I wish @Dunc well.
Itās always interesting when someone looks outside the goldfish bowl and moves on. For Forumites, it gives us a customer eye view on something, and whether the experience correlates to the marketing, mag and dealer spiels (or not!) which can be read across the 'net. Itās also advance warning of what one needs to consider with other kit, especially Class A amps and alike.