Call me a ‘sheep’ but I just cant help thinking, that if the SL cables are good enough for the Statement, they are good enough for me. I fully appreciate the cheaper offerings from Morgana work for a lot of people, but my query would invariably be, what deficiencies in set up/ room response are they making up for?
I would like to assume we are all looking for a neutral presentation of music, or maybe not…?
See, I know how to make friends… ATB Peter
Baaaaa…
Peter i think you are probably right, but could be said for most cables people prefer to SL. Have you ever posted elsewhere on another thread your room treatment journey. If not, when you could drag yourself away from your lovely system…i think it would be useful for me and others with doubts ticking away?
I dont think they are making up for anything peter, like the standard naim stuff, highline and then the SL, the cable just gets better and holds back less.
Yes the naim SL is a nice cable, but so are others, and some much cheaper, and you shouldn’t think because its cheaper, its not as good.
Like i said it doesn’t hurt to try, and if you like them, with the money you have saved you could go on a very nice holiday
I thought about going for the Morgana XLR/DIN but having already done SL on the CDP and speaker cables I just knew I’d be thinking I should’ve done SL all the way through. I see all my recent purchases as ‘end gamers’ now. The brain is a funny thing and I know how mine operates. Badly!
I did ask somewhere about how WH Morgs are getting the performance getting rave reviews though and whether it was down to the connectors or is it just the cable itself? A combination of both. Hats off to them however they’re doing it but I’m sticking with what I have anyway.
I was lucky to find a used but absolutely mint set which saved a fortune over new price.
If I was starting from scratch and had Morgana’s been around before I got my first SL leads, I would’ve tried a full loom of them and SL. I’ve read that you only get the real benefit from each by not mixing and matching and I’ve got a feeling that’s what @TimOopNorth is thinking re his SL leads. I could be wrong though.
That very much sounds like mine Rack! ATB Peter
Yes, I have SL interconnect (about two years now), and have SL dem cables. It is all or nothing I think - so will be trying the SL XLRs. Once I have that I will consider whether or not to try all the WH stuff.
It might be quite hard to move myself from full SL once I am there. I have been very fortunate to obtain ex dem items so far so the cost is nowhere near full list. At full list for both, the WH would be a different proposition. But from where I am the SL is not as expensive an option as you all think…
And would I be more of a for getting SL or WH?
Tim don’t live that far from you … I could bring my wh leads over…to try against sl…you need to get used to your current system get it run in a bit let it settle…you need to be comfortable with your sonic landscape…I am pretty confident you will be impressed…Gazza is 100% on the mark…
I do agree with the brain statement, thats probably the the main one to please.
You wont go far wrong with most of them, just some will hurt much more in the pocket.
But if you brain, is going to make you feel, that you have gone wrong, then there is only one way to go.
But i do think, you would be silly not to try them.
Also as for saying, if its good enough for the statement, etc, then just looking back at the older naim cables, and the same mindset of, these are the best for the kit, then well we wouldn’t have all the other naim cables, would we.
But the xlr’s, are a big bottle neck and whatever you go for, expect a nice improvement on all your sources
Geoff & Pete sorted a ‘decent’ new price on my SL leads too. I’m sure he’s looking after you since you’re spending so much time together these days.
Not that much time
When I had 282/SCAP DR & 300 DR I bought Standard WH DIN XLR. There was an improvement, but then I got tempted by a SL interconnect at a big discount as ex demo and I gradually weaken. Then I did the SL speakers and DIN XLRs. I still hankered for more so I now have preloved 552/500 serviced three years ago but not DRed🙁.
The MusicWorks G3 and Powerlines made it all sing though coupled with Naim glass etc, more space between boxes! It can make amazing sounds now. Almost holographic. I had a flat period after putting in the MusicWorks - maybe the carpet spots were compressed. Not interested in more!
The strange thing is that the volume knob is lower !
I still have the WH DIN XLR as it doesn’t take up much space in a draw with standard cables.
Phil
Dear Gazza, I have pondered about that in the past, but to be frank I think, there could be quite a fall out from touching on my personal experience with room treatment. I have used only simple means of measuring by using an app on my Ipad to get a bottom line of my problems with the room. What really matters is the frequency response under 150 Hz in a room, and to get that resolved first. This is purely determined by the physical size of said room and can be accurately ascertained by putting the room dimensions into The Amroc Room mode calculator. The rest I did by relentless experimentation using my ears. On top of that maybe more than a 100 hours of learning and trying to understand the basics of acoustic room treatment ( videos/ articles). I’m certainly not scientifically equipped brain wise, but it turns out not to be rocket science tbh. Being a terrier however helps .
Feel free to at any point contacting me outside the Forum should you so wish, as I would be more than happy to help ATB Peter
Thankyou Peter, when i go down this path will be in touch👍
Hi Peter,do you recall the name of the IPad app you used?
Managed to delete the App, but something DecibelX… from memory. Sorry, but there seems to be a multitude in the App store ATB Peter
This evening is my first time, more or less, listening via the LP12, since, well, ages… Gregory Porter is sounding mighty fine, and had a bit of Spandau Ballet before that (yes, it’s True!).
The Kandid is probably not run in yet. Many hours of work since it arrived (seems a lifetime ago - was it November? October? Really cannot remember!) mean I have probably only spent half a dozen hours in total listening to it (let’s not think about the cost per hour!) which is not enough. But for the first time in years I am really enjoying the LP12, so I am very pleased with that - definitely good enough for the 808s / 552 / 500 combination. Rather foolishly I have bought a (used) Simplinth in walnut with Tangerine top and bottom plate (though the bottom plate may not be compatible with the urika, curses) - due to lockdown won’t be getting it here this month and will then have to get it put together…
Nice one Tim. You’ve definitely got the bug at the moment. Be interested to hear your thoughts when all of that comes together. I’m now nearly one year on from upgrading to Kandid, Keel and Radikal and I’m still getting eye opening moments when I put on a record I’ve not heard for a while. Bearing upgrade hopefully this year.
Karousel is a really good upgrade even from where you are. I did mine just before Christmas plus a used Hi-line RCA/DIN phono lead that luckily popped in the classifieds as the LP12 was in for the service & bearing upgrade.
It’s really drops the background noise you didn’t even know was there so you’ll hear smaller details and there’s just an overall calmness to the sound that’s hard to describe. Compared the cost of your previous upgrades the Karousel really belongs in the ‘no brainer’ class.