That’s tossing and turning isn’t working. I have been getting up and watching EPL which here is no at all hors of the night. However this isn’t working either and I’m often still awake come sunrise. I’m going to try reading and see if that has better results.
I didn’t pay and found what looked to be complete. I use Apple News though without subscription.
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Ah… slightly sneaky. Well done…!!!
On a Win PC via Chrome, I hit a Pay Wall… 
Not sneaky - lots of stuff is free but they show headlines for everything.
Phil
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Having had my times of wakefulness in the middle of the night, what usually works for me is 1) instead of thinking “oh God it’s only 2.45” I make myself think “oh good it’s only 2.45”.
And secondly if that doesn’t work, it’s all about breaking the unhelpful train of thought. I find getting up, going downstairs to fill my bedside water glass with fresh cold water and then amble back to bed often does the trick.
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Haven’t really kept up with the thread, Is it high-functioning autism you’re talking about here, or?
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The Title is - Anxiety & Depression. Which is my own diagnosis.
No problem - for me - if anyone wishes to broaden the scope… 
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Yes I know, thought more about the picture you posted, seems to describe people with high functioning autism?
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Isn’t that everyone on here? 
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Which picture was that…? I have posted a few…
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JSB most have known something about anxiety and depression therapy:
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the picture “8 Struggles of Being a Highly Intelligent Person”
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Been up since 3.30am (now just after 5), just tossing and turning trying to get back to sleep but gave up.
Just read your post and will try you option next time which will probably be tonight. Cheers.
How long are you in bed for? With my tossing and turning patients I suggest going to bed at midnight and getting up at 6 am regardless of how well they have slept. This builds up a pressure to sleep better. It takes about 3 weeks to get used to. After that increase time in bed by an hour every few weeks till you n bed for about 8 hours a night.
I use to be a night owl I’d rarely go to bed before midnight sleep well wake around 6.30 and felt good. I’ve never needed much sleep and would hardly ever sleep in. Occasionally I’d get an early night (once every two weeks or so) for the same result
Now I find I’m running out of steam and go before 10pm. But I have tried to stay awake till later but still waking between 2.30-3.30am.
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Could also be worth talking to your GP as you’ve got a lot on you plate at the moment to deal with.
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I figured that was the case, I swim a kilometre 5 mornings and walk 5ks on one of the other days. I’ve read keeping fit and active was important and I also thought that’d help with sleeping.
I’m seeing my specialist soon I’ll talk to her and see if she can help. Thank you. 
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Keeping fit will help anyway, so that should be a given. Anyway my best wishes for finding the right way through.
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In relation to another thread, I posted this retirement consideration from 2021:
Crikey, I’m just going through it again now and can’t believe the mental nosedive I went through in 2022 partly due to factors mentioned there coupled with a general deterioration in my health, culminating in a period of sick leave in 2022 - enough was enough from a physical and mental viewpoint, only thought I’d be off work for a couple of weeks but it took longer.
@IanRobertM - believe it or not attending that Nightwish concert in Birmingham was a significant moment in helping me get back to work a few weeks later, it just marked a stepping stone where I needed to get back to a bit of normality.
I actually thought I’d bounced back from ‘rock bottom’ 6-7 months ago, but no, I definitely hadn’t got back to where I used to be. Maybe approaching that in the last few weeks but maybe not.
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Hi BrianD
That’s an excellent and pertinent post, and highlights many pitfalls of internet resources, but I think this thread is primarily about shared experiences and informal non-professional support of others and is undoubtedly valuable.
From my own view on postings I think most (perhaps not all) who have had more serious concerns have already engaged with professional services and are expanding on the benefits of doing so.
In essence I think this is an incredibly fascinating and supportive thread which has allowed many to open up informally about issues which have or might be affecting them. I’d consider YouTube links etc in a similar vein - potentially supportive but not strictly purporting to be professional advice (as with most social media of whatever persuasion).
Kind regards
AC
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