They absolutely deny selling returned cables. As I say, when you’ve had a lot of brand new Audioquest cables in a short space of time, you know exactly how they leave the factory, how the tie-wraps are twisted, no fingerprints, box unopened, how the cables lie in the box and no dust. I don’t particularly want to go further and I’m not going to name the shop. I’ll leave the decision where you buy cables from with you, but when the cable becomes expensive, I’d choose carefully who you buy from. What I will say is Analogue Seduction were good.
bested by the BJ…
Wot ? Boris’s sideline ?
Hi Peder
Of course, we all need to make money for sure. What I’m trying to say is that products made /assembled in China are the “money makers”.
I know some dealers who are saying the same thing about Audioquest - those are relatively the best cables to make a penny.
Personally, I have some AQ cables but I do prefer Chord 
Kacper
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So more than a week has passed with my new Cinnamon cable. No improvement. The detail is good, but bass is terrible. No deep bass at all. If I swap the Cinnamon with my old cat5e, the bass returns.
Let’s see what happens after one more week…
I’ve played music via Cinnamon 8 days nonstop 24/7.
perhaps some chinese technician made a bad cinnamon…It’s curious that the difference is so obvious. I feel something is wrong with your cinnamon. The differences should be minimal.
I feel it too. I’ll ask AQ directly about that, maybe they’ll replace the cable.
Or, as I said earlier, maybe this is “signature” of Cinnamon sound. Maybe someone likes that type of sound, with no deep bass. Maybe this is cable for slow, romantic music 
perhaps @Darkebear could answer you. He had the cinnamon before and now the vodka. The vodka gives better bass but i don’t feel that cinnamon is completely lacking bass vs the vodka or other cable. But can’t be sure however.
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It is not lacking bass. There are much of bass. The problem is that the Cinnamon bass is not deep, compared to my old cat5e.
The Cinnamon has a clean but lean bass compared to Vodka which seems to have plenty.
Part of run-in I found was that Cinnamon opened-out and the bass got fuller and cleaner - and the Vodka started with far too much bass and then tightened-up to a better balance over many weeks.
Both are very good cables in their way, but if you want a big sound and big dynamic bass the Vodka like to do that.
Why - how - no idea!
PS: I’m now as of 5 mins ago using both cables. Vodka as ‘main’ cable between ND555 and Melco and Cinnamon between Melco and Cisco 2960 switch. I swapped-out another Cat7 general purpose Ethernet for the Cinnamon and I’m liking it better right now.
DB.
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This is how my Cinnamon was as well. I’m so happy I gave the BJC a try. Completely new system, I thought the addition of the Ovators was the weak link but it turns out it was the network cables. Great bass response, much more depth and the presentation is neutral or agnostic to me. I can throw volume at my music again, it was harssh with the AQ.
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i have never tried the cinnamon, just forrest then vodka and diamond. The forrest was the worst, even worst than a very cheap cat 5e i tried.
The Forest sounded too ‘thin’ in my system - nice and detailed but no easiness and constrained.
The Cinnamon was a lot better and I used that for many months and really liked it.
Then I tried the Vodka - a wild ride but very different and very open expansive and lots of bass until it runs-in, which also tames the top-end which starts a bit bright but over many months that goes.
…I have not tried the Diamond yet!
…I’ve just swapped-out the Cinnamon between my switch and Melco for a generic cheap Cat6 cable and I’m liking that now.
I did all my tests before with another switch, the Cisco 2940 and I got different results to what I’m getting with the 2960; things previously rejected now seem to work better, so there is an interaction with the switch you use.
I strongly recommend getting a good switch like the 2960 before spending a lot of money on cables as I think the boxes come first from what I’m hearing now - then the cables to suit the boxes.
Also - I’ve found getting all cables to and from the Melco off the floor so they free-hang between the sockets and sound a lot better, an easier more natural sound with better harmonic structure on notes - the one to the switch is on the floor, but I’ve put Cisco 2960 on a little HiFi tripod table near the system so that 1.5m Ethernet reaches the Melco freely - then the Meco connects freely via the Vodka to ND555.
DB.
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The Cinnamon’s lack bass. Just tried the Cinnamon I have on hand compared to a basic Tripp Lite Cat 6 patch cable. Cinnamon more airy detail, the bass is there, just not pronounced and deep. Personally I prefer the Cinnamon where I’m using it (office), so it can be a good or bad thing depending on your system. The Melco I have has so much bass I can’t use it as a cable for end points as it just gets fatiguing. Going to order a couple of BJC’s to try and compare, esp from the server to switch, where having extra bass initially could impact the whole system.
FWIW I’ve actually visited the BJC warehouse before - just your typical old wooden 14’ ceiling Seattle warehouse with a glass walled office in one corner, and messes of cable, paperwork, crimping machines etc everywhere. Nice people. This was a few years ago so no idea if they’re in the same location but I don’t see why they wouldn’t be.
Thanks. My Cinnamon is very long – 12m. Vodka would be too expensive for such length. I think the longer the cable the more pronounced its sound signature. That could explain why my Cinnamon is so “expressive” 
And yes, would be interesting to know how they do thatJ. Could it be that each strand of their network cable has different electrical properties (resistance, inductance, and capacitance). And that introduces different interaction with hardware, which in turn makes sound signature different?
I think I’ll try BJC also. What exactly BJC are you using? Cat6 or Cat6a?
Currently I’m using AQVOX switch. I’ve tried Cinnamon with different switches, and directly plugged to the Atom, - sound signature remains. Of course, good switch helps, but seems it does not improve sound “signature” of audiophile LAN cables. The “signature” remains no matter what switch is used.
Yes exactly. This is why I don’t like it. Seems that something is missing, especially noticeable in electronics music. It becomes too boomy with no deep notes.
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I went with 6 (1.5m) per the recommendation of BJC but others here like 6a as well so I’d consider trying both given their reasonable cost.
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