Cableoholic,..Or,.What's Going On..?

it’s like a seal.

Would that be the New Inn or Royal Oak? It should be said that both are excellent.

New Inn.

Had a very good lunch there with ancient family relations… good pud, I recall.

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I am confused

:small_blue_diamond:My Cableoholic-friend’s new toy above.

I just have to love my Cableoholic-friend,.but I absolutely do not understand how he thinks.
Or what he has for red-thread,.in how he builds his music-system.

I don’t dare to speculate on how many Ethernet-cables he has,.and that’s no cheap cables.

But he has at least three from the American TimePortal,.and at least two from the Swedish Entreq…these also include “earth-boxes”.
I brought my Audioquest Diamond to him in February/march,.so he would hear it.

He then thought that his Entreq ethernet-cable with the earth-box sounded better.
My view was that both cables sounded good,.but had some different ways to present the music on.
I have to listen much longer,.in order to be able to give a safer judgement.

•But yesterday I got this picture from him,.that he has bought an Audioquest Diamond 1,5m ethernet-cable.

:small_orange_diamond:Why,…I am confused,but I love him :grin::joy:.

/Peder🙂

Peder - I thought there might have been a new design of cable lifter you had discovered in the background, but after closer examination it turned out to be a Spaghetti lifter :grinning:

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Just seen this on my regional evening news program.
So glad they chose to base the shot of volunteers tending to the bollocks area. Looked like some weeds were setting in.

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The mains cables from the consumer unit/fuse box in the house are fixed and will always be bog standard electrical wiring. Certainly not some ‘awesome’ gold plated, super treated fantastical cabling.

If you could by-pass the need for a wall socket, plug and mains lead to your hifi equipment and directly wire everything into the mains … you would be connecting to bog standard electric wiring.

As such, how can adding some kind of esoteric cable and wall socket for the last metre or so, possibly “improve’” all that existing bog standard wiring in the walls (which can’t be changed)?

The analogy I would draw, is where we accept that an amplifier and speaker cannot improve the original signal and information, so the source is always first. In this case, the house wiring is the source … so a flashy mains lead can’t possibly improve the mains electrical supply!

Sorry to sound dismissive, but it doesn’t seem logical and any electrician (which I am not) would probably say that it will make absolutely no difference.

I do, however, accept that a separate spur and consumer unit for the hifi does make a difference … by avoiding any pops/clicks and noises with refrigerators switching etc; if on the same circuit.

I’m sure that musicians and recording studios don’t use special wires to get the best sound. If the wires made a big difference, then they would use them on their kit.

Happy to be educated as to the science and logic behind this apparent ‘snake oil’ :grinning:

I slightly disagree here. A speaker could add to the signal by resonances within the speaker and room being sympathetic to some material.
Certainly some amps, speakers and cables will make better sense, cohesion and a more palpable use of the original signal.

Often read that most recording studios do indeed use special cables. In this case special isn’t always expensive, just good quality from Belden and Van Damme etc.

Tobyjug … not sure that you’ve disagreed with me entirely :grinning:

I’m aware recording studios use such cables as Belden and the like, but that’s not quite in the same ‘ball park’ as some of the more esoteric cables out there … which is what I was actually referring to.

Not sure I get the point about amps and speakers, since they can’t ‘create’ something that the source has been unable to deliver (to them) … if that makes sense :grinning:

Obviously, if you have a different perspective, that’s absolutely fine.

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Correct, but a cheap mains lead can degrade the mains electrical supply and/or pick up and add additional noise. So you want to avoid that to keep the power source as clean as possible.

Do manufacturers really sell their equipment with inferior mains leads, which degrade the electrical supply and affect the sound performance of their kit?

Surely that makes little sense when trying to outperform their competitors… especially if all that is required is a better mains lead.

Not disputing what you say, but seems rather odd and not very logical from a manufacturing perspective when trying to sell products based on ultimate sound quality.

A bit like shooting yourself on the foot :smile:

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i tend to disagree partially Mr Frog. More the amps and speakers are advanced, more the details can be revealed. They are not created, i agree. Less the speakers or amps are advanced, more they tend to hide the details. I am not only talking about higher power or bigger speakers, but quality of the inside components in the amps or speakers.

You would agree that a Turntable with a quality arm, cartridge and motor will need a quality phonostage.
You wouldn’t run a 12k TT into an inbuilt phono stage on a cheap integrated. With £500 standmounts - and expect it to sound as good as it should. Would you ??

I think there may be a little misunderstanding over my analogy.

What I was saying is that the quality of sound produced by a source component (I.e.for example, in terms of information retrieval from a record), isn’t going to be improved by amps and speakers further down the line … they can’t produce information that the source couldn’t extract and deliver to them.

Wasn’t that the Linn concept all those years ago?

Likewise, on that basis, a flashy 1m mains cable can’t improve the existing quality of the whole electrical supply. If the electrical supply has a poor output, no tweaking the last metre of cabling is ever going to change that. The problem lies on the whole electrical feed itself and not on the end bit!

If you don’t agree, that’s okay … I just can’t see the logic behind changing the last bit of wire. Changing the entire supply cable by installing a dedicated electrical spur (seperate consumer unit/fuse box etc), is an entirely different matter and definitely makes a welcome improvement :smile:

I also accept that loose vibrating and ill fitting connectors may be detrimental… but if the actual wire used in the cable itself is some high class material, it can’t improve the existing electric wires in the wall.

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If it’s good enough for Abbey Road then it’s good enough for me. I’d add Canare for the analogue and digital ICs and, of course, Blue Jeans Cables for networking.

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Yep … my point exactly… no esoteric crazy priced wires needed. Just good enough to match the existing mains supply.

After all, if a water supply pipe has a restricted flow due to a narrowing of its diameter (eg mineral deposits), fitting a super wide diameter pipe for the last meter or fitting an expensive tap on the end won’t improve the flow rate … a ‘good enough’ tap is all that is required.

Does that analogy help :smile:

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Electricity doesn’t flow like water. You should know that.
Anyway, one must make their own road to Damascus and I wish you well.
And you misread my earlier post. I didn’t mention anything about creating. I mentioned cohesion and making sense of the original signal.

A little sharp …

Not to worry, if you like your expensive cables and enjoy what they do, that’s absolutely fine.

Just enjoy the music :smile:

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I has my naca5 resoldered by Pete at Cymbiosis recently. When i put them in together with my new dac and little stainless steel spike shoes the upgrade in SQ was quite remarkable though i did do several simple things at once. Just putting a missing link silver plated plug to a power cable will improve what is already there. Power cables do work and so do a myriad of other things such as distortion removing rumble from spiked feet by using little boots or pucks. The point is a good quality hi-fi is at nowhere near it’s potential when first bought as there are so many variables in degrading sound that it’s quite scary but they don’t have to cost money. Grounding and speaker positioning can garner big rewards to. I am continually suprised by how my SQ has improved little by little by finding and experimenting with cables and other things and they needen’t cost a lot although there are some cray money spenders out there - see Peders cable friend.
Henry

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