@anon77199223 's experience with POE has compelled me to find a switch to send POE to my second switch, 2960 PD 8TT-L.
I’m finding good condition/new 3560C-8PC-S switches for good prices. Can these be used with a 2960? It seems like they should work but not sure.
Well, I’ve “downgraded” my switch from a dying Apple TimeCapsule to an “old” Allied Telesis that I had spare (see post further up). I had an urge to run it, as it’s quite robust and industrial-like. Very much enjoying the results, everything is hanging together nicely. I think I’ll leave it here now for the switch and Ethernet cables to the system, as it sounds great and I’ve run out of steam to tackle the nest of cables again. Next year, I’ll simply swap out two stock Naim leads for Powerlines and think more about S/L speaker cables after @Pete_the_painter has tested them for me in his system.
As far as I can see from the link you sent, that switch seems to have 8 PoE ports, so should be fine to send PoE to your PD switch.
But you may want to confirm with the vendor, or anyone else on here who can answer your question with certainty.
The Powerlines made a difference straight away, hopefully I’ll pick up SL speaker cables after the 6th. Think they need a burn in and will keep you in the loop.
In what way Pete, more solid delivery?
I knew you’d ask that, it just sounded a little more detailed and a little more bass.
Decided to join in the fun snd ordered myself a second switch. Ordered a HP procurve 408 as used by @TiberioMagadino. Brand new, but opened, just over £10 plus postage, will compare with my Cisco 2960.
Remember Gazza and all, the “Mania goes as the square of the number of switches”–when you throw in the LPS’s, it might be a higher power–fortunately it gets normalized by the Music.
That’s brilliant, I’ll be laughing about that all day.
Just had a bottle of Hardy’s bin161 wine , everything seems wonderful…even buying more switches and power supplies.
@popeye,…These two messages below,.I received from my swedish friend @Music_Lover in october.
I’ve tried to translate exactly as he wrote to me,.hope you understand any of this.
He has been testing ethernet/streaming-cables in about 12 years,.and is incredibly knowledgeable.
I’ve introduced him earlier in the thread.
He uses the Tune-Dem evaluation-method,.which focuses on the best possible musical messages.
This result he got in his top-notch Lejonklou-system,.with a Linn Klimax DS (latest spec),as a source and a Cisco 2960-switch.
He has previously had top-notch Linn and Naim active systems.
You obviously have to try this in your system,.but this is a bit of information in response to your question.
1."Hi,.Tested all sorts = cat5, cat6, cat 7…and screened/unscreened.
•And of course everyone has direction.
No relationship to price as usual,.except the best…as the manufacturer without wrap swipe said they bought from the 3rd party.
It was great.
It struck,.for example,Audioquest,.all Chord and all noname cables.
The Transparent cable won (2m 4.2k,.3m 4.9k) Sweaty,
Chord C-stream 1.5m,.for £50 is not crazy for the price. Also applies to BlueJeans.
Chord Epic 1m for 5.5k is good,.but not as good as Transparent.
Both beat my 7-8year old Microconnect.
Transparent was really great.!
But the price.!"
2.“Chord Signature 1m 8.8k was worse than chord c-stream 1.5m £50,.but Chord Epic 1m 5.5k was the best of any Chord.!!!
Chord Music…no.
Ask the guy to test Chord Epic instead.”
/Peder🎅🏻
As I have consistently pointed out, for digital cables, there is no reason to believe that there should be any correlation between price (or complexity/quality of construction) and the effect the cable has on any given system.
Furthermore for exactly the same reasons, there’s no reason to believe that there should be any correlation between the effect any specific cable has on any one given system and the effect that cable has on any other given system.
@Xanthe,…I don’t know what you’re trying to say with this,.that’s exactly what I and @Music_Lover writes,see below…
Again,.I wonder what you mean by your post,that’s exactly what I say in my previous post,.again see below…
But,.to be clear,we don’t believe…we’re testing so we know.
In any case,.with the products we have tested so far,(29 ethernet/streaming cables).
These are tested in several Naim and Linn-systems at different levels.
They are also tested in a Lejonklou-system,.and in some Tube-amp systems.
In addition to this,.@Music_Lover has tested many,many more ethernet/streaming-cables earlier in those 12 years.
• But as an example:
Of the 20 who tested Audioquest Vodka in our group,.AQ Vodka has performed very well in 18 of these 20 music-systems.
In two music-systems of the 20,.AQ Vodka did not provide the same soundquality improvement as in the other 18.
• One was a top-notch Lejonklou-system.
• The other was a Linn Akurate exact-system.
But,.that we experienced the same results,in 18 out of 20 music-systems provides a pretty good…if we shall use the word “statistical” outcome 
.
PS: That AQ Vodka didn’t work in this Linn Akurate exact-system,.we thought was first due to the exact-function.
But then,.a close friend has Linn’s absolute largest Klimax exact-system,with their best 350 speakers.
And there,.AQ Vodka works so well that he has them in this whole system.
From his Urika II in his LP12,.to two three-metre-long AQ Vodka to the 350-speakers etc,etc.
Why AQ Vodka works in one Linn exact-system,.but not in another we have no idea of.
But as usual,.the answer to whether it works practically in your system,you only get if you test yourself.
/Peder🎅🏻
For less than £3 for a 1.5m length Cat6 - I really like them:
They are for ‘mixed-use’ implementation - meaning I have tried and abandoned as a lot worse trying to use a ‘one best cable’ approach and found - presently for me in my system - using some lengths of AQ Vodka expensive Audiophile cable but with essential ( I mean essential - not just that I had no HiFi expensive cable) runs implemented in this cheap Cat6 as shown above.
This cable, when used in combination with the AQ Vodka, opens-up the sound presented as more dynamic with better and more natural layering of fine detail - more 3D spacial info. If used all on its own - no - bland, if all AQ Vodka then over-detailed but lacking in poise and scale. In my system.
The KabelDirekt (KD) also has a definite direction, run-in and length dependency on where used I found.
It likes to run ‘toward the Streamer’ so switch to Melco for me the the KD 1.5m run - and by toward for directionality I mean read the words on the cable left to right going in the direction of the cable, so ‘CAT6’ will have ‘C’ at start and ‘6’ at end - in my example switch and Melco respectively.
Note: my Melco then connects to ND555 by 1.5m AQ Vodka, so toward the Melco is still toward the Streamer.
I also tried a very short 0.5m length of KD Cat6 between my 2960 and ER switch to very good effect. I’d previously not found it worked well, then realized I had it the ‘wrong way around’, swapped it and it is seamless clean sound with open bass.
The run-in is very dull for the first day - so dull you will dismiss it as poor if you have no idea it will change. On day 2 it is a lot better (especially the right way around) and further days improve more, but day 1 is very bland.
But I have no bias toward or away from expensive or cheap cables, it just makes sense to bottom-out what the cheap cable will do before looking at the more expensive ones.
All cables have their own ‘sound’ I find and the KD are no different - and it depends on if you like it and in complements the other cables you have. This is important, as the AQ Vodka have their sound signature and strengths - and KD seems to complement it by opening-out more natural harmonic rendering where the AQ Vodka can get a bit stark with its detail.
And both the AQ and KD cables time very well - no temporal smearing and a lot of easy dynamic rendering.
DB.
I have decided to re-join the 2 x Cisco Cascade movement. I have received my second new/old stock 2013 PD switch, have had it plumbed in since Christmas Eve, so far really good. At first my system went all lardy and started to really annoy me, so I investigated. It has turned out (thankfully) that my cheap generic £7.95 telephone RJ11 to RJ11 cable was the culprit. I have decided to put my original ISP one back in and all the lardy slow ponderous bass went, leaving me with just sweet lord music again. This has been the best yet, having two PD switches of the same vintage connected up. All BJC Cat 6a into the first switch along with my NAS. BJC Cat6a from first switch to second switch with only a AQ Vodka from second switch to ND5 XS 2. Amazing Christmas choonage here at Tate Towers.
Having only one switch to do it all is just so last year, well not quite yet but, you get my gist.
Happy Christmas to all cable/switch manic nutters from me too!
OK, I’ve now managed to do the test of cables from Cisco 1 to Cisco 2, and the results surprised me.
I expected to get the same result as with the cable from the switch to the 272 (that is that UTP cable sound considerably better than all SSTP/SFTP cables), however this just wasn’t the case. I can hear appreciably more subtle variation in pitch (e.g. vibrato) and loudness variation (e.g. tremolo) with the Connectix Cat6a (SFTP) than the UTP cables.
This can’t be expectation bias as I was surprised by the result, and fully expecting the opposite result. OK it’s a fairly subtle difference, but I’m also sure it’s really there and there’s no other commensurate losses.
…but if you were expecting to be surprised…? 
There are differences - they are ‘small’ but become bigger when all the other system upgrades are done and then you return to these things - that are then the same as before, but are now larger! 
(relatively)
That is not a great bass quality to have - I don’t think it would promote high sales if used to describe HiFi product benefits.
That tickled me!
DB.
The detail I have coming through now, even with my headphones on is nothing short of spellbinding. The ‘inky blackness’ coupled with a synergy like never before is absolutely bang on target I feel. I have found that my two PD switches coupled in cascade have raised the bar even higher than anything else I have tried (network speaking) so far. I just hope now that this is a consistent phenomenon and no other run in or up and down hiccups are on the way. I’m so glad the bass has sorted itself out too and now that the balance has resumed itself also. I don’t want anything to budge right now…
@Stephen_Tate,..Is it two exactly the same Cisco 2960PD that you’re using now.?
/Peder 
Yes exactly the same Cisco 2960 PD switches. Same batch, same year, even the same month. Both new/old stock Feb 2013. Sealed in unopened boxes from two different sellers. One was £70 the other was £49.98 plus postage which was just under £4.
