Which one sounds better, the cheaper or more expensive, or both the same?
2 Likes
Now, nowā¦ā¦
1 Like
The one with the more expensive postal charge.
1 Like
In my configuration, white gigabite sounds and goes very well, in my area we have purchased many.
I donāt use the GB ports on my switches, I much prefer to use the normal fast ports instead. Donāt know why, I just doā¦
@Stephen_Tate,ā¦I wrote this above in post 4666.
And Iām becoming more and more convinced that it might matter.
When I heard our dual-Cisco solution with two Cisco Catalyst WS2960-8TC-L.
I said,.Wow,Wowā¦Just like you do now with two exactly the same Cisco 2960 PD switches.
So without having a theoretical explanation,.it can have a practical importance with two like Ciscos.
/Pederš š»
2 Likes
Hi Peder,
when I first tried the two switch configuration I was using my white 2960 C Series together with my on-board PSU 2960 blue switch. I then ordered a PD series to go with my existing on-board blue one ( more for aesthetics than anything ), but to my surprise I got a slight uplift in performance as well. I canāt say how as I never tried the PD switch in isolation at this time. On that same token I sort of reluctantly thought Iād grab another PD switch of that same vintage from the bay (last one from another seller!) and low and behold, as luck would have it, itās from the same batch as my first PD switch. By this time I had decided to go wireless as my system went all fat. I donāt dig a fat sound. Anyway, to cut a long story short, my second new (same batch) switch arrived in the post on Christmas Eve. I was going to send it back as well as selling all of my other switches and stick with wireless but do you know what? Lifeās too short. I decided to open the box and setup my new PD switch to go with itās matching brother and Cascade again all over again, after all it is Christmas.
Needless to say this has given me by far the best uplift in performance in a two switch configuration so far. Yes there is a lot to be said about synergy and out of all the switches I have tried so far, this pairing are most definitely staying. Everything is sounding just right, no more adjustment is needed I feel, to do so could spoil things, so Iām sticking right here for now.
Seasonās Greetings!
2 Likes
Not sure who is going to claim the rights to the PhD associated with this thread !
But could somebody (*) provide
(1) the Introduction
(2) the Conclusion (no doubt an interim conclusion at present) and
(3) the basis for this conclusion
(*) I would suggest Xanthe who always apears to be impartial, accurate and concise
Cheers
Don
1 Like
Thank you for the vote of confidence; unfortunately Iām also dyslexic (*), so if you want to have understandable language used, I suggest we nominate (collectively) another for the task.
(Internal reviews of all the papers Iāve published have always had lengthy periods of revision and redrafting to make them more intelligible, before submission to journals for peer review and publication).
(*) Thatās why I try to be concise, fewer worms results in fewer chances of a complete c**k up in the language!
(**) The c**k is likely to end up eating the worms.
3 Likes
@Don,..As OP,.this thread is an ongoing process.
Please participate with your practical experiences.
It is these practical experiences that ultimately matter,.when we install and try these products in our music-systems.
/Pederš š»
1 Like
Well, Iāve swapped in an Allied Tellis switch and there is a definite lift in SQ. More detail (lower noise floor), more cohesive and organic. I put it down to less noise introduced at the switch and a rather nice strong beer.
2 Likes
Thank you Peder. Please re-read what I suggested. Simply an interim summary that is clear and concise.
No need to terminate the discussion or supress further input of various experiments. But 5,000 posts is a bit too much to browse through.
Continue to enjoy your discussions, that is what most forums are all about.
I appreciate it would be a considerable task, and I had forgotten the issue of dyslexia, and was simply concentrating on the āimpartial, accurate and conciseā elements of communication.
I still think it would be an incredibly useful excercise and I canāt think of a better editor. Perhaps Mike-B would help ?
Itās about EM noise reduction, not just accurate data transfer.
2 Ciscos usually sound better than 1.
Posh Ethernet cables usually sound better than cheap ones.
Blue Jeans cables are mid price and sound clear (and are on spec as data cables).
BJ cat 6a seem to work well for many.
Keep the last switch before streamer free of other kit.
PD Ciscos without internal psu sound v clear/low noise floor.
PoE (Power over Ethernet) Cisco has the lowest noise floor of any Cisco Iāve tried.
White Ciscos sound whiter than blue Ciscos.
3 Likes
If forum members wish, I could write a summary of the disparate positions in respect of
1 Cables
2 Switches
3 āBurn inā
4 Bits is bits vs wires as a signal/noise carrier
I donāt believe Iām in a position to write an introduction (Peder is the OP and I wouldnāt presume to know their motivations for initiating this thread).
I donāt believe itās appropriate to write a conclusion at this point; since as yet, there is no definitive scientific evidence (or objective proof of results) and opinions havenāt converged sufficiently for a consensus view to emerge.
2 Likes
A PhD thesis is supposed to explain the workings of some new phenomenon. I think that section would be woefully inadequate and not make it thru the thesis committee. More work on the theory would be required. At least, that is what an Astronomy based committee would say. In USA we have a saying āIts like kissing your sisterā when short on results.
1 Like
You forgot āthe research methodologyā Don. The most important - and potentially the weakest - chapter here.
G
2 Likes
I feel you will be very soon in the Cisco club 
Don, we should perhaps create a brain teaser: what is lightning, likes to have a brother or sister, and divises a lot of people ?
As a summary JimDogās was a start, added to in parentheses in this quote:
And these are additional pointers I have gleaned over the course of this thread:
-
Ethernet cable and switch effects depend on the streamer/DAC being fed, and what is described in relation to one might not apply at all to another.
-
Ethernet cable and switch effects are likely to depend on the remainder of the network.
-
Ethernet cable and switch effects are likely to depend on the electromagnetic environment in which they are located.
-
The audibility of any ethernet cable and switch effects depends at least in part on the transparency and clarity of the audio system.
-
The audibility and significance of any ethernet cable and switch effects depend on the listenerās ears and the weight s/he places, subconsciously or consciously, on the nuances involved.
3 Likes