Ethernet Switch and Cables Mania

@Mike-B I believe Belden makes a special Rj-45 for GX10 they have videos on both their site and Utube describing it. I also believe the Telegartner’s would work fine. But don’t hold my feet to the fire!

FYI I’ve seen a few folk referring to Cat6e, no such thing. It’s either cat6 or cat6a. :smiley: Article on cat types https://www.cablinginstall.com/cable/article/16477222/cat-5e-vs-cat-6-vs-cat-6a-which-should-you-choose

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OK, I haven’t seen it, will take a look some time, but with the BJC Cat-6 patch cable able to perform to Cat-6A levels (500MHz) I wonder why to use a network cable. The m$ question is how does it sound, as its an unknown in these parts I guess thats up to you. I am not a fan of screened cables & any metal RJ45’s; not required in my book, if nothing else they have the potential of carrying ‘noise’ around the galvanic port isolation

Indeed Cat 6A is augmented Cat 6 to support 10gbps to 100 metres. Cat 6 supports 10 Gbps to at least 55 metres … additionally most Cat6A is recommended for infrastructure wiring and NOT patch leads if you read the specs, as compliant Ethernet patch leads need to have flexibility and be adjustable. Most Cat 6A is relatively stiff and has quite a large bend radius… not suited for patch leads.

If I was looking for new infrastructure wiring, I would focus on ISO / IEC 11801 Class EA rather than solely Cat 6A. Sometimes they are referred to as equivalent , but Class EA is a tighter spec than Cat6A. Class EA supports Cat 6A but not neccessarily the other way around.

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I found a stiffer Cat6a made cable dressing easier behind the rack, where a Cat5e patch cable would sag over time and end up touching the rack, power cable, etc. It’s not a cable I’m going to move frequently, so I’m not sure there’s really any need for the flexibility of a patch cable.

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Indeed the Ethernet cabling standards go into flexibility and movability compliance with different Cat cables… if it static and locked down to limit movement then it will be fine.

… point of order if I may, the BJC patch cords are all solid core, additionally the Cat-6’s have an internal pair separator.

I have BJC 6a, which have made a good impact on sq, especially on clarity compared to the very cheap 5e cables they replaced.

Like Chrissu, they hang well and stay put.

I like the simplicity of solid core design, less to go wrong and just one thicker conductor.

The shielding keeps them from polluting or being polluted by noise from numerous other nearby cables.

I will snap on ferrites today but do not expect that will make an audible difference.

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:small_blue_diamond:We have some interesting reviews/testimonials that we are waiting to take part of…
@anon4489532
@Nick.Lees
@Peter1480
@BertBird

And as usual,.you may excuse me if I forgot someone.

Now @Darkebear,.Peter1480,@MichaelB and I have raised the issue of the best placement for your switch (Cisco).
Here is a lot to consider,.and where we can share experiences with each other.

Then we should not forget,.that different powercables affect the soundquality of your Cisco,depending on what other components you have in your system.
So even though we are approaching 1000 posts,.it is much,much left to learn,discuss and understand in this area.
So continue sharing experience, knowledge and test-results in…

Ethernet Switch and Cable Mania.

/Peder🙂

Came down with a mild dose of Cinnamon-itis after browsing this thread. I was never quite convinced by the AQ Cinnamon in my system, and recent posts here made me distrustful of its diminutive length (0.75m).

Swapped it out for a few metres of Cat 6 Belkin cable from my spares box (linking Mac Mini server to Cisco 2960); a length of Meicord Opal handles Cisco switch to N272 streamer.

Yep. Not quite night and day, but it’s all sounding a tad more natural & relaxed. And as mentioned earlier, if certain vocals suddenly become clearer, you’re likely on the right track.

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:small_blue_diamond:@Peter1480,…Very interesting and nicely written.

Thank you for taking the time to report your test results here.
And that you found Naim’s original rubber-rings that we now call PetPed Damping Solution Mark 2 :wink:,.sounds even more exciting.

I put in a picture on Mark 1,.and Mark 2 so everyone knows what we’re talking about.
It will be exciting,.to take note of the continuation of this wall-positioning of your Cisco.


PetPed Damping Solution Mark 1.

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PetPed Damping Solution Mark 2.


And here sits PetPed Damping Solution Mark 1 in place between Cisco-bracket and wall.

/Peder🙂

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I’ve been using a Blue Jeans ‘full loom’ since they arrived on Wednesday. That’s Cat 6a from Virgin box (as modem) to AirPort Extreme, and Cat 6 from AE to Cisco and from Cisco to 272 and the Qnap. The wire from AE to Cisco is 2m long, as is that from Cisco to Qnap. The wire from Cisco to 272 is 3m.

It’s with a little trepidation that I comment on its sonic impact, partly because my hearing is not that great, and partly because I’m not convinced I’m unaffected by Blue Jeans Fever. When lots of people start saying something is really good it’s quite hard to avoid expectation bias. I’ve also recently replaced the base of my MusicWorks mains block, which had an impact on the sound.

The run in has been a bit up and down with some things sounding great and others a bit odd. Still, things have settled with three days elapsed, and with Mrs HH away marching in London I’ve been listening to lots of varying music over the last few hours - cantatas, jazz trio, Gang of Four, Kraftwerk, solo piano and now solo cello. Overall it’s certainly no worse than the Vodka/Cinnamon combo, which given the price difference is, I suppose, a result in itself. Music seems to sound a bit more natural
and controlled, less shouty perhaps. The AQ was maybe giving a slightly impressive hifi sheen, with the BJ seeming to get out of the way a bit more. Some music perhaps seems more real than before. I imagine things will improve and settle further over the coming days. In the meantime, the sun is out, a butterfly has just flown past the window, so it’s time for a spot of gardening.

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Thanks, Mike. So you would recommend “Cat 6 Patch Cords–BJC C6P”, right? But it seems that more people are using “Cat 6a Patch Cords–BJC C6AP”.

I’m not at all sure that more people are using C6AP, but I’m not about to argue that one, I recall someone (somewhere) said they preferred C6P over C6AP.
The owner of BJC also makes the point that a screen can add issues & I read on other forums that have stated a preference that C6P is preferred

I’ve used screened cables in the past, Supra, Cinnamon & some odd other stuff.
I since moved over to un-screened & like what I have - MeiCord Cat-6 between NAS-Switch-NDX & the new BJC Cat-6 to the wireless hub branch.

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I’ll try both :slight_smile:

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Well…I’ve taken your suggestion to heart and now tried 5 different cables/patch cords and one of them to my ears, shows my AQ Vodka a clean pair of heels. It’s still what some might call a specialist streaming cable but at one eighth the cost of the Vodka it’s a surprising result for me especially as my sample batch was very small.

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Great result. :+1:

You may be able to recoup some of the cost of the Vodka by selling it on! :smiley:

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BJC recommends cat 6 patch chord and that’s what I used b/w the streamer and switch and QNAP and switch. Cat 6 is what is providing the improvements you’re reading about here. If you’re unconvinced I would at least buy both cat 6 and cat 6a given the low cost so you have the cat 6 option.

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Nick, how is your test today. Are BJ better sounding now? are indigo and music still much better ?

what do you mean by clean pair of heels ? do you clearly prefer the BJ or do you say that the difference vs vodka is minimal ?