Thank you
What is the reason for the 3 meters that several name?
Yes. It is the vendor from whom I bought the Atom and PMCs
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I wonât pretend I understand what you said there but Iâd go for NAC A5. The difference I experienced is that it just sounded right. Itâs 4mm so it delivers alot of power too.
Someone said you are from Argentina
If so: how did you buy the NAC cable in Argentina?
Sorry not from Argentina. From Nottingham in the uk but live in Australia.
Just ask your Naim Dealer. Iâm sure they can get it.
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Iâd start with Sound Paul, if they arenât being helpful you can always drop an inquiry direct to Naim HQ in the UK, theyâll get you sorted out one way or another.
NAC A5 is recommended by Naim and used by many owners, myself included, Iâve got PMC speakers and A5 cables in systems and more than satisfied.
The Naim support email address for reference:
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After isolating, redirecting, and listening, I have new information that may be important:
When the music is quiet, with few instruments: it can be heard well, at any volume, even at high volume.
When the music is loaded with instruments, heavy, tense: it sounds confusing and bad, at any volume, even low.
Which makes me think that it has nothing to do with acoustics directly.
Even in the same song. For example King Crimsonâs Fracture, The quiet passages are heard very well, and when it explodes into musical force, everything becomes confusing, annoying to the ear.
Anyone with experience in this?
Playing the loud complex passages is a challenge for any system so itâs not unusual. In your case, having the speakers on the sideboard really is not helping. You need some stands or wall brackets.
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Are you sure the VDH hybrid you posted will work fine?
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Yea absolutely. They were recommended by a Naim dealer here in Aus. My friend purchased them with his Nova. Sounds fantastic to me.
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I was replying to French Rooster who was asking where you lived.
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After looking at mpaltadonaâs latest remark on his impressions on high and low volume, I think I side with Mark84âs angle. I think it could well be that you are predominantly suffering from a sound signature change crisis. Itâs only been 1.5 yrs since I came from a modest TEAC amp and standmount Missions that I had actually positioned as floorstanders, because well basically my wife would prefer hifi to be totally invisible if it were up to her, and certainly not on eye level. In hindsight, what I was missing the most that way is the high frequencies. But what that did nicely is indeed presenting that impactful âwall off soundâ that some symphonic rock song will throw at you. No details or much instrument separation, just âpure emotionâ in a subjective way.
Iâve now upgraded in stages to Uniti Star and PMC 25.21i, on stands (now in my own study!). Fiddled a lot with speaker placement. I already had a analytic approach to music, so I love the upgrade I got in separation and detail, also in âinstrumentally congestedâ songs. The downside is that I canât enjoy half of Marillionâs music anymore the way I did â in the old daysâ, especially Fishâs first solo albumâs heavy passages sound awful. Instead of a wall of sound, I perceive a wall of ear-piercing mess.
So in short: try to see if you can get back to the (low end) dynamics of floorstanders without upsetting the missus too much, or look for bookshelves with reviews that talk of a more relaxed sound, or coloration in a warm way, or rolled off treble⌠but still having OK dynamics⌠Those kind of key words. I think youâll get relatively little hits on PMC. There may be a couple of people that may argue that wonât do the Atom capabilities justice, but in the end it is about what sounds great to your ears.
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Is this your old speakers???
They are bloody huge. Thatâs your problem. You are used to a huge high efficiency 3 way. No comparison. Thatâs why it sounds messy. Because it is. A speaker like this will sound completely different. What you are hearing is distortion and the limitations of a small speaker.
Have you tried these on your Atom? It will drive then fine. They are 100db sensitivity and 8 ohm. Easy for the Atom.
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The PMC DB1s have exceptional bass for a speaker of that size - and well-defined at that, thanks to the transmission line. But you do have to set them up properly.
Itâs not a matter of distortion - on a decent stand, you hear the top end as well as the bottom end, without any distortion.
You can play with cables as much as you like, but if the sound is not more or less right to start with, you wonât get much improvement by using different cables.
What the OP describes is what I hear from my DB1is, now that they are on shelves (second system, not properly set up, but the speakers had to be invisibleâŚ).
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I would expect units with values 6 times higher than my previous equipment to handle them without problems!
I will try to test with stands in the next few days
Your wife and mine could make a club!
What would you call a âsignature change crisisâ? I admit that listening on these brands is very different from listening on mid-range equipment. But those gave me more detail and separation of instruments with values ââup to 10 times less!
With the uniti star, did you achieve more analytical sound, more detail, more separation? that encourages me because it is what I want. For example, my supplier allowed me for a short time to test a used gold note is-1000, and although it is an excellent equipment and a good economic opportunity, I decided not to keep it for its warm sound, and softness that files details (apart from other things that I did not like)
I bet on the greater brightness and detail of the Atom and accessed smaller cabinets for my wifeâs taste.
From what you comment, you have managed to ensure that this âwall of soundâ of the symphonic is not an amorphous mass of noise. I want that for myself.
What he says of Marillion that is lost, I do not want to resign.
In these days I recover my previous speakers and there I will be able to compare. I have also heard PMC twenty5, Canton reference, mcintosh xr, t + a talis
Have you ever had stand-up loudspeakers and shelves?
Then I comment on the new experiences of the next few days
Exactly those !!!
I will be able to recover them in these days and I will be able to test them with the Atom.
They have very high sensitivity and I always use baffles of that size. I never had monitors. I knew beforehand that I had to get used to it, but I donât think it happens to me.
Perhaps it is one of the most important factors.
My vendor (in his interest to sell me) told me that the db1s were going to be better for me than the Infinity, which was very old and blatant technology.
Anyway. In these days I will try and comment
I agree with you that the sound that comes out of those tiny speakers is incredible. If I close my eyes they donât seem so small ⌠nor do they seem big.
It covers the frequency width very well. The bass is actually very good, but obviously it doesnât reach the lower frequencies that are felt in the body more than in the ear. But you canât ask that of a 5.5 'woofer. For me they have an excess of low-mids probably to make up for what is lacking.
I also agree with the cables, although I do not rule out doing a test if I can.
I will continue testing positions. But I disbelieve a bit: I have put them in different rooms in my house. Reviews say they are easy to locate. Even on the page they indicate that they can be hung on the wall and they sell the support for it, a few cm from the wall !!!
https://pmc-speakers.com/products/consumer/accessories/brkt-wall-bracket
https://pmc-speakers.com/products/consumer/accessories/brkt-wall-bracket