Pmc speakers

May I ask why you are considering changing to PMCs? SL2s with 552/300 sound truly wonderful.

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The SL2’s are lovely, albeit a bit lacking in bass (especially at low volume). Your question has made me think about why I’m looking. At the moment the best I can come up with is that I felt an itch, and the price was good. Part of me thinks that holding out and paying a bit more for the Fact.8 or Fact.12 would be a better decision long-term.

Fact 12 is good, and does bass, though of course there are better… My feeling was that if I ever had to have small speakers the F12 would be a good choice.

Fact12 are small?

To me they seem gigantic.

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Viewed from the listening position they are positively skinny at only just over 6" wide - almost invisible! But more significantly they are smaller in volume than any speakers I’ve had since my first speaker upgrade in about 1971.

According to your profile you’ve got pmc MB2. Wonderful speakers by reputation. I’ve got the PMC Fact 12. Don’t find them small with a 252/300dr system. Very happy with them.

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I didn’t mean they sound small - and that was my point, they are physically small, relatively at least, and with a footprint no bigger than many standmounts, but they still do true fullrange - and sounding nice (though the MB2 sounds even better!).

If you have an itch, why not get a 555PS? The 552/300 deserves it. Another member on here recently swapped SL2s for the Dynaudio Classics and seems very happy. @PeterR swapped from SL2s to Fact 12s and seems content with them, with S1 and 500. With something like Fact 8 or 12 on the radar, you really should be upping your source.

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A 555PS is something that I’ve thought about, but I’m limited by the amount of space on my rack; a power supply would mean one more shelf, or (more ideally) a second stack, and I’m not sure that the intrusion of space across the wind would pass the aesthetics committee. I guess if I had a long enough burndy I could hide it further away…

What were your thoughts on sound when you moved from SL2’s to PMC? Acknowledging that there were a few amplification changes you made as well…

Your profile includes an XPS, so a 555 would be a straight swap.

As to my PMCs I think they are great, fast and lively yet with a full sound. They are well made and seem to be very high quality.

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As HH notes, I recently moved from SL-2s to Dynaudio Heritage Specials. I had a similar curiosity to try something different much as I admired and loved my SL-2s. Ultimately I think to get the very best out of the SL-2s one needs a top quality source and probably at least a 300. Aside from what’s feeding them the other critical thing is to have them up against a SOLID wall and on a SOLID floor. Unfortunately I had neither in my listening room. Do I regret selling them? No, not really and I was so thrilled that the chap who bought them was such a decent guy who was upgrading from SBLs and had a similar interest for the design characteristics of the SL-2. I personally delivered them to him in Shropshire to avoid any risk of courier problems and was very pleased to do so.
As for the Dynaudio HS, I absolutely love what they do. The bass, in particular, is so impressive for standmounts and they drive my small room really well.
Good luck with the search for your next speakers be they Fact 12 or something else.

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Sorry I misunderstood you. I’d love to try the MB2 but they don’t show up to demo here in Canada very often.

The MB2’s are simply the best speaker I have ever heard.

I’m just a jealous guy… :smile:

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Just moved from PMCs twenty5.23s to their ‘improved’ i version.
Got to say, this feels like more than a mere tweak - the improvement is noticeably better to my ears. Loving what the lower crossover and new SEAS tweeter are bringing in terms of detail resolution and a more integrated sound across bass, middle and treble.
Only 4 hours on the clock and the clarity is fabulous.
The 25.23i is one lovely sounding and handsome looking little speaker.
The improvement reminds me of jumping from the Supernait2 to the SN3.
Some felt that was a minor tweak and not worth the outlay (I disagree).
The combination of the SN3 and 25.23i is right up my cup of tea.

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For sure, changing speakers certainly will bring the biggest change to how a system sounds.
The pmc’s fact 12’s are a great speaker, certainly better sounding than the SL2’s, but very different speakers on placement and how easy to drive.
The 300 should just be ok, but they do like amp’s with grunt and sound better for it.
The bass will be so much better and at lower volumes be quite a few steps above the SL2’s.
The only thing i found lacking with my fact 12’s when i replaced them, but didn’t realise it up until then, was they can sound like they are having to try very hard all the time as far as the bass is concerned, swapped over to titan 808’s and the bass is so much effortless in sound in comparison if you get what I mean.
But the fact 12’s are still one off my favourite speakers

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I suspect it is a combination of using a pair of small bass drivers rather than a large one, and being such a narrow box with inevitably constrained cross section transmission line - and possibly why I felt they’d be better in relatively small rooms

I would love to hear 808s - I suspect that they would be a perfect match for my system. Unfortunately, there’s not a distributor or dealer in New Zealand. I see that there’s an australian distributor, but even so I suspect that they’re a bit more than I would like to pay…

Interesting. The Fact 12s i heard recently (driven by an S1 / 500 combo) at @PeterR place didn’t seem to have this problem with lovely deep, fast bass. Perhaps they just didn’t suit your room and the 808’s just work better rather than it being a speaker issue ?

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Maybe, but like i said, i wouldn’t have said i had any problems with bass beforehand, it was only after hearing the 808’s on the same system did i think that the fact 12’s sounded like that.
After all the fact 12’s are quite good as far as bass goes, obviously the 808’s go even lower down the frequency range and that also probably helps along with the bigger drivers, etc.

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Shame you don’t live in the uk as a nice pair of secondhand fact 12’s can be had for £5500 right now and that’s before you haggle

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