Personally I have no desire to stare at a computer screen when I listen to music, but if that is your preference, Roon is probably the best option.
Though if you used Roon/Audirvana etc there would generally be an app to control the computer based software on a mobile too, so perhaps not too much different to using the Naim app?
I think you’re right though, for serious listening you don’t really want any computers/gadgets once you’ve hit play or cued up an LP. Increasingly I find that having quality/quiet time without distractions is rare, unless late at night or when everyone is out. I need a soundproofed shed.
No it won’t work like Spotify in that respect. No other service does.
You might have some credulity challenges, but the situation is Spotify Connect and Qobuz and Tidal are quite different in terms of how they function underneath the covers …
Qobuz offers high definition PCM , Tidal doesn’t … therefore the throughput and bandwidth requirements are different.
The older 272 platform and legacy streamer architectures struggle with higher bandwidths on elastic flows (internet flows), just read the pages and pages on the old forum about a Tidal dropouts for some. This is one of the reasons why the new transport architectures were developed.
Therefore coupled with the development costs and likely sub optimal results using the older architectures, it’s totally understandable why this development was only done for the architectures that were designed to be capable to support such things.
I have said on this forum many times, the new streamers transport architectures address shortcomings and limitations in the the first gen platforms which are now better suited for internet streaming
This wasn’t about some marginal ‘tweak’… the new stream transport architecture and products are quite different and much more performant in this regard.
Ok, and what is new today, might be old tomorrow…, so you will have probably the same problems in the near future…HIFI industrie is killing itself with changing protocols so often…it’s not ok Naim does not do anything for the 272 users, it’s still for sale and already old fashioned…unbelievable… Good old record players…always work…
Thats why I purchased a Bluesound Node 2i to stream Amazon HD to my 272, the BluOS is rock solid and packed full of internet streaming services see below.
Also the sound is excellent via the BNC digital coax input on the 272 utilizing the 272 DAC but I do have a 555DR powering the 272.
You have to recognise that the hardware inside the 272 is what it is. You can’t change it just by wishing it to be different and being rude about Naim.
Maybe you are right not to be rude…but it’s very frustrating to buy equipment whitch is obsolete after two years of use, this is simply spoken not correct…Other example: bought 7 mont ago an Melco N1Z for about 5000,- Euro. New Melco software is comming (of course mutch better…). My “old” Melco (yes, yes, 7 months…) have to be upgraded by specialists for 200,- Euro…This way of working of the HIFI industrie makes me not happy…and makes (in my opinion) new potentional customers shy to invest a lot of mony in these products…
+1 on the BlueSound Node2i… definitely recommend as the way forward.
i think that there is a lesson to learn which is that it is best to separate out the streaming / computational bit from the rest of a system. Sadly the convenience factor of all-in-one quickly loses its appeal when you get left behind.
Don’t have a problem if it is a genuine lack of tech performance of older kit, but Unitiqute 2 was still on the shelves not that long ago?
Hey ho, the world keeps turning!
It was on the shelf until the Atom came along to replace it. (Actually it went before that due to the delayed release of the Atom, but that’s another story.)
The difference with the 272 is that it hasn’t been officially discontinued by Naim, which I think raises people’s expectations of what it ‘should’ be capable of doing, despite the fact that the streaming platform it uses was developed well over a decade ago.
Agree, i would be even more disappointed if that was the case. On the positive side I think Tidal Masters sounds great and keeps my toes tapping.
Does it still work to the specifications it did when you decided to buy it?
Well i am a bit dissapointed no Qobuz streaming on the 272 but on the other hand, my experience is that streaming quality is ok (Tidal cd quality), but the same music bought in WAV format from Qobuz and placed on my Melco N1Z /2 sound dramatically better…So if i really go for music listening i go for the Melco (for example Marilyn Mazur with Elixar).
Enjoy music tonight!
Yes it does, hi, hi
The poorer SQ compared to your NAS is typical of Naim’s first generation streamer technology.
Using a reversed proxy service like Roon or Bubble can put internet streaming much closer to the local level.
As I have said in a couple of other threads here recently, a quick cheap and highly effective fix to getting Qobuz etc on the old streamers is to use a Chromecast Audio dongle. Unfortunately Google decided to stop making them, but they are still available on the bay and they provide an optical connection to a digital input on your streamer and can cast up to 24 bits 96 kHz, so pretty useful.
I think you’ll find that the music you bought from Qobuz sounds better because you are streaming it from local storage, not because of where it cane from. Chances are if Naim implemented Qobuz on the old streamers, it would sound much the same as Tidal.
As Guinnless says, a proxy server can raise the quality of Tidal and Qobuz to much the same level as local streaming.
Have you compared Qobuz hires files vs the same track in CD res?
I compared cd streamed from Tidal with Melco N1Z in same quality, Melco sound is simply magic…
I just made a serious improvement with streaming by placing a Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch in the network, but still the Melco wins…