yes.
Indeed, and that diagram nicely illustrates the common signal ground (-ve)
If we are just talking about audio connections then how well those contacts are made would be the better argument, not how many.
Well it is TxQ so type and quantity, yes.
But as we are not talking a soldered connection, a contact connection will be a compromise connection to varying degrees.
Anyway it is generally considered for very low current connections, such as with source audio signals that point contact connections provide amongst the best connections and least compromiseā¦ and Naim use WBT connectors on their quality RCA connectors which adopt point contact connections.
Iām using a Chord Signature RCA to Din between a Cord Dave and the pre-amp. I canāt compare with a RCA to RCA but itās good!
Spin it all you want with the textbook quotes, the quantity argument defies logic.
Thank you all for the further technical information on the quality/performance of RCA connections which provide an alternative view of RCA connections compared to the Naim FAQ view which was not very favourable to say the least.
Interesting to note that the FAQ is comparing din to din against rca to rca and says nothing about any potential benefits of a cross over connection from rca to din, which is the subject of this thread.
One of my earlier posts referenced the internal wiring of a 282, I used this example because it was easier for others to see compared to the SN3 (which I have) as the din sockets are mounted directly above the rca sockets on the SN3 so wiring is more difficult to check.
The SN3 wiring of the rca ground connections looks like they are linked together on the back of the sockets and then a single wire from that link to the PCB. The PCB connections of the rca inputs are immediately adjacent to the din inputs so not much difference there considering that the ground connections from the rca to din cross over cable are soldered together in the common ground pin of the din plug the difference between the ground cable linking either just outside the SN3 in the din plug and just inside the SN3 in the rca plugs is very marginal at best, as far as I can tell.
Iāve also looked at photoās of the construction of the chord signature and naim hiline rca to din cross over cables and see that they are essentially two separate cables from the rca end joined/squeezed into the back of the din plug with the two ground wires linked together and soldered into the small din pin which I think is a bit of a fudge, so not too impressed with the design/quality of that for the price, unless they are specially made din plugs for that purpose, which I doubt because they probably dont make too many of them for rca to din.
I would like to thank everybody for taking the time to contribute their advice and experience to this thread, I have found it very informative and has helped me make the decision to stick with my original order of a rca to rca cable as there is just not enough solid evidence to risk going the rca to din route in search of potentially better sound quality. I have home demoed the chord signature rca to rca against my current chord epic rca to rca and it is much better, so I will now be happy with that after considering all the information in this thread.
Another practical ownership advantage of staying with rca to rca is that if I upgrade my amplifier in the future chances are that it will have rca connections rather than din, unless I stay with Naim (which would mean more box count with the current ranges) who obviously have to continue to support the legacy din connections of their previous ranges of sources and amps.
Being stuck at home with COVID has given me far too much time on my hands to get into the detail of all this, but its been very worthwhile and I hope other people have also found it informative and useful, I much appreciate all the help, thank you.
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Can you rephrase, unfortunately I donāt understand what you are trying to say here, thanks. What engineering text books are you using or referring to? They could be an interesting read?
BTW I am a practicing design engineering architect, so please you can get specific. For me at least these subjects are not some sort of arm chair muse.
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Well I guess you have had plenty of time to enjoy musicā¦ I hope you are feeling better after Covid nowā¦ and avoid any of those long covid complications that more and more of us are having to grapple with.
Hi Richard has Naim done any tests to see how much the advantage is for a din to din compared to rca to din, ie do you lose ?half the benefit with the latter. If the source is RCA then wonāt all the additional low level details that din captures have been lost before the signal gets to the din cable!
All I did was listen and compare. I donāt know what other tests others did at Naim.
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Yes thank you for the health good wishes, all the fsmily members are recovering well so far and i hope your not having to grapple too much wigh lingering health issues.
Also the new Lumin P1 streamer has been getting a lot of use as i burn it it and try to optimise the sound quality performance. Lots to play with with all my hifi and AV equipment connected to it.
Thanks, fortunately I am fine, but close family and friends have very much had post covid complications, one of them looks like it is life changingā¦ these latest variants are nasty.
It is very unfortunate that you donāt understand, but I do agree with you that these conversations are meaningful, thatās why I felt compelled to correct your misguided and unscientific statement about DIN being preferable to RCA because of the quantity of connections.
Ok in the context of how Naim use DIN connectors / plugs and electronic engineering design and good engineering practice we will have to agree to disagree then.
But for everybody else Iāll hope you find this post useful
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hi Im not familiar with Linn cables- what year and model is the Linn Silver ic you compared with the Naim DIN180 ic? I suggest that the connectors are not so important as the design of the cable.
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Both current cables.
I know the cables arenāt the same but I already had the silvers throughout my system and had just contacted my fettler to convert all to din as Naim was new to me but as soon as I did the comparison I stopped that request.
Iām not at all surprised the Linn Silver āsoundsā better. The design is probably far better -more copper, better shielding? I have never heard any difference between DIN or RCA connectors.
Worth mentioning is that Linn silver doesnāt contain silver. Itās just due to the cabel colour.
I read that there is an MKII version of the Linn Silver Incterconnects labeled āAnalogue Interconnect IIā that is actually make in the Scotland factory (Atlas factory presumably), as opposed to the original ones marked just āAnalogue Interconnectā that were made in China and suffered from inconsistencies. Just something I read from a very reputable person in the industry, I do not have any direct knowledge or more information.