I upgraded my TT this year (and I already had a great one) and it was a significant improvement, using the same everything else I already had (arm, cartridge, phono).
I also just upgraded my isolation base and that brought more improvements.
I think in audio, like many things, the answer can depend on what your weakest link is. I found the same when I swapped just the table for the other, but youāll only notice this upgrade if the phono stage is up to the task. So if your phono stage is already your weak link & you upgrade another item, there is a good chance your phono stage could be holding things back. If you have a top notch phono stage it will properly reveal any other improvements you make to the table/cartridge/arm.
I think this is about right, but after you have done your best to follow the Naim route above. Having a poor base TT with the best phono or cartridge stage wonāt allow the phono/cart/arm stage to perform at its best. I think that Naim has a synergy in its matching of component sets across its range. I think a TT/arm/cart/ phono set must have a similar synergy.
No doubt, its a bit of a what came first chicken or the egg. A top of the line phono stage isnāt going to make a poor table sound better (though it should get everything out of it it can), but a poor phono stage on an excellent table is going to limit its performance as well. So its all about balance.
I think in the end one needs to have some balance. Donāt expect a $1000 phono stage to bring out the best of a $13k cartridge. OTOH, a $15k phono-stage is probably overkill and wasted money on a $500 cartridge.
Iām sure Iāll get shot down for this but Iāve never seen the point of spending $30k on a Linn Klimax (or comparable Clearaudio, etc) and then putting a $1000 cartridge on it. Seems a bit of waste to me, or least a mis-balance of components.
I have a $20 TT (with arm), $13k cartridge and a $15k phono-stage (plus a second arm and cartridge for mono). I donāt know that I would add or substract from any of it to subtract or add to anything else of it.
I would completely agree, seems like a bit of a mullet to me as well. Not saying right or wrong but the same store owner also thought if you have a decent table, as above get the best phono stage you can afford (so your getting the max out of everything & may cut down on multiple upgrades in the future) & then follow it up with a good MC cartridge (for her entry level for MC starts @ 2K+ & she wasnāt a big fan of my Hana ML ). Again, as above everything within reason, a $13K cartridge on a $2K table makes no sense, etc.
I agree with that too, although I made the opposite point because thatās what I see often enough. High end TTs with mediocre cartridges. I rarely see someone matching a mediocre TT with a cartridge 5-6 times the cost of it.
However as the experts say the last upgrade to do to reach nirvana is the cartridge
I have actually heard quite a number of high end TTās over the years with , in big scheme of thing , average priced cartridges , and they have sounded pretty good I must say
Some enthusiasts donāt (canāt) do all upgrades at once and perhaps they are just getting around to the final upgrade
I agree with most comments above.
I would add that in my experience, the phono stage has a greater impact than a cartridge.
For example, with a 5k budget, I would better buy a 1,5 k cart and 3,5 k phono than the contrary.
Iāve just had a look at Linn prices. A Klimax LP12 sold complete would cost Ā£25k at todayās prices. This includes the Ekstatik cartridge, which can be purchased separately for Ā£6k and the Urika phono stage, which is Ā£3k. Although Iām sure there are some economies to be enjoyed by buying the complete package, we could deduce that roughly it means Ā£16k for the TT including power supply, Ā£3k for phono stage and Ā£6k for cartridge. Clearly, Linn thinks this is a balanced system, but itās certainly not the even distribution which you advocate. There may be more to system optimisation (at the level of the turntable in isolation) than simply balancing the distribution of spend.
Yeah, Klimax is $31k in U.S. I think the $7300 Ekstatik is a fine match for a TT of that level, although I might want to throw a better phono-stage at it.
I didnāt mean to imply that balance is of the exact proportions I have. That balance is pretty good for that particular set of components, and even a lesser cartridge would be great (like a $5k DV or so, not so much a $800 MM). I was more making a point that oddly balanced systems (like a $20k TT with a $1K cartridge) is not money well spent. I understand that sometimes going cheap on a component is meant as a stepping stone. I know of people with Clearaudio Innovation with a TT3 linear arm using $1200 MM cartridge. That doesnāt make much sense to me.
But definitely, I donāt think I would put a $13k Lyra Atlas SL on a RB300 and expect to get the best out of the cartridge, or with a Simaudio Moon 110LP phono-stage. As good as the latter two are for how they should be utilized, they are a poor match for something like the former, IMO.
Your phono should cost three times as much as your cartridge according to Origin Live. The phono accounts for up to 95% of total amplification in vinyl playback.
If weāre going by retail price when purchased, my vinyl set-up is approx $3K AUD for TT (Thorens TD-850), $4-500 for the arm (Rega RB300), $5.5K for the cartridge (Ortofon MC A90) and $4K for the phono stage (Rega Ios).
Although the overall sound is highly enjoyable itās clear that my TT/arm combo is holding back what the A90 can really do, hence why Iām looking at something like an SME or Kuzma tt/arm upgrade next year.
The Rega Ios is a really fantastic phono stage for the money so Iām hoping it wonāt hod back the rest of the gear, at least not by much as itāll be a while before I can put $$ into upgrading it.