Small room advice

thanks for advices.
i’d rather choose some of “traditional” equipment, not all-in-one.
main problem for me are the speakers now.
after 10 years i was a little bored with Spendors, so i’m looking for something more “alive”.
but i really don’t want to have knives flying in my room - and i’v read that with PMC it is possible

I use a Nova with PMC twenty5.21’s in a room only a bit bigger than yours and it is a brilliant pairing. No knives flying! But only way to tell is home demo

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You have to hear the speakers for yourself: no harm in hearing PMC to see if they make knives fly as you put it - you might love them or hate them, regardless of what anyone else says.

To my ears transmission lines produces the best bass of any designs I have heard - the disadvantage is that because of their complexity to design and build they tend to cost more than other speakers of otherwise similar quality.

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transmission line is what i like in PMC.
my first choice was Dynaudio special 40 - i’ve heard a demo. but i think that the bass will not fit my room.
as for now no chance for demo - i’m continuosly out of home.
my idea is to buy xs2 or sn2 and then put some speakers for demo

What about Neat Iota Alphas? They have a very nice bass and won’t overload the room.

By the way, dimensions of the room is one aspect, but the construction is another. I have an home office which is a bit bigger than your room and I have large Ovators there. I found that the floor and wall construction has a very significant impact too.

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I love the flying knives concept and understand exactly what you mean. I could never get on with dual concentric/“point source” speakers. They never sounded right in my room, even with valve amps. My mate had a pair of 15 inch Tannoys in his bedroom that sounded brilliant with Leak TL 10.
Where this is leading, What was the last bit of gear you bought? I have heard these twice, different rooms, different sources. If I was not happy with my current set up they would be on my audition list. Sort of a grown up lively LS3/5a which may or may not have a similarity to your current speakers.

I don’t think the room size should be a major factor dictating choice of SN2 or XS2. If budget allows and you’re choosing amp first, I’d go for the SuperNait as it will allow a greater choice of speakers. I don’t take amplifier power recommendations too seriously, but as an example ATC recommend 75-300 Watts for SCM 7s and 11s and this range includes SN but not XS.

On speakers: with their closed-box construction, ATC 11s can be less sensitive to positioning than traditionally ported models which could be helpful in arranging your room. ATC also sell a wall mounted version of the 7 and 11 (HTS7 and HTS11, I think) which might also help in your smaller room.

Roger

yes, that’s important - and i will rather go for sn2.
when it arrives home - i’ll make some demo incl. atc scm7 and 11 and also pmc twenty 21 and 22.

I use PMC25.23 speakers with a Nova in a room a little bigger than yours, 4.3m by 4m, they work really well. It’s a fairly bright room with French doors and a picture window in one wall, a rug the only soft furnishings (glass table and leather suite) and the treble is fine for me. They need to be about 30cm from the wall, so can work well in smaller rooms, it might be worth trying them as well as the standmounts.

Nova and ProAc Tab 10 Sigs in a room that size as you can better place them near a wall being sealed boxes.

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Shame you’ve sold it already, all you needed was a change of speakers and a nice compact rack like isoblue. I had a full 500 series system with a turntable in a living room not much bigger than that, with Naim NBLs. The latter did need that last half metre though. If your walls are solid rather than dry lined you could aim for speakers designed to go back against them like old style Naim speakers or those Jern 12 series. The latter might look like a joke but could be a good solution. Can you get home demos where you are? Maybe with a supernait, though personally I’d prefer separates.

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I’ve sold evertthing (except Phono) ‚cause i had a plan to reduce quantuty of boxes.
The plan is to close counting on 2-3 boxes

I also Think about exposure 3010 pre and power, but i don’t know if it’s the right place to talk about it.

I have a similar sized room to yourself. If you have solid walls I would suggest SBLs …no chance to demo, but they will be reasonably priced, and you will probably only lose money on transport if you decide they are not for you.

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Not sure what you mean by “traditionally ported”? As far as ports are concerned, as opposed to bass extension, a front port will not be any worse for positioning no port. Rear ports and possibly bottom ports may be affected by close wall proximity, but they are less “traditional” than front ports…

“Traditional” as in not transmission line PMC-style. I had bottom ported Kudos speakers and could not make them work in my room where ATC SCM40s are fine.

Roger

Transmission lines like the PMCs have been around at least since 1960s as commercial designs! l’m not sure that bottom or rear ported reflex speakers go that far back… Anyway, we’re agreed. :slightly_smiling_face:

To me you are in an ideal place, why?

Very few of us get to buy amp and speakers together , this is a time to look for system synergy .

I would have few qualms about a Nova or an Atom if it is box count you are worried about , if I wa starting over I would be quite happy :blush: with a Nova, Graham Slee phonostage , a decent turntable and I would probably go for a pair of stand mounts like the PMC or smaller floor standers like Spendors or Totems .

I too have a smallish room and have reduced box count , at the same time I have more fully integrated my TV viewing into the system by means of a UnitiQute which I use as a Dac.

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PS a lot of users have raised the point of AD/ DA and in practice there are a lot of happy customers.

I am about to buy a Jacquelin Du Pre LP, it has been digitally remastered at a higher level than CD .

It’s rather like cars , mine is three cylinder engine, it has a turbo charge and I have no problems with the engineering as long as it drives well.

About the speakers - i will choose between ATC (11 or 19) and PMC (21 or 22).
I’ve had Spendor A6 - and i want to change the preaentation.
I will not change anything in phono - i have accoustic signature with morch+AEC London And great phono stage from polish RCM(i haven’t Heard anything better)
Amplification - sn2 or 200/202 or 272/200
Was also thinking about exposure 3010 - but i don’t know anything about it.