The death of streaming?

No. As I already wrote in my message that started this thread, the situation on Spotify is exactly the same. To take Trygve Seim as an example again, these are listen on Spotify as his latest releases:

On Qobuz: same thing.

Deezer might be different, as they have the most aggressive (non-)AI policy of the streaming services. These tracks don’t appear to be there, but maybe someone with a Deezer subscription should double-check.

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My Amazon subscription runs out end of this month so I’m cancelling, so just trying Qobuz again after three years ago. I’ve moved my playlists and albums into Qobuz and everything is there so I have two weeks to see if auto generated playlists contain AI pap.

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I can understand that you are really annoyed by this. You somehow were dragged into a rabbit hole by the AI algorithms. Probably some less known artists were targeted. I do n’t see any way you could clean-up the data these streaming services have collected about your listening, browsing and search habits, other than creating new accounts. Maybe if you remove these artists from your library for a while, the AI algorithms will ‘forget’ about them.

Maybe you share account with someone who love AI music.

For the Trygve Seim AI tracks the label listed in Qobuz is Luthfi. Never heard of it, google search finds nothing. Perhaps checking the label is the way to distinguish real from AI without playing the track. Trygve is on ECM, no way he puts out a track on some no-name label. All very frustrating.

Apologies

Just checked the information given by Qobuz and they state

Pay up to four times more per stream to rights holders than other platforms.

• Respect the creative process through high-quality audio streaming, from CD quality to Hi-Res, preserving every detail of the original recording.

• Celebrate human expertise in all our editorial recommendations, allowing us to exclude all AI-generated music.

• Remain a 100% independent French company, prioritizing quality, authenticity, and fair treatment of artists above all else.

That 3rd point is relevant.

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Excluded from editorial recommendations. That doesn’t appear mean excluded from the site content, which might be a lot more difficult.

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‘Death of streaming?’ What a load of nonsense. Maybe a few will cancel subs as a result but that will be just a pin prick. Users of streaming services on a hifi forum, where people spend many, many thousands on kit, is just not the main market for streaming service providers.

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I’m innocent, honest guv.

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We’re all doomed I tell ya, doomed.

I hear old people used to watch a thing called ‘Dads Army’.

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I will admit to being a tad hyperbolic in my subject (and subtly ironic in the closing statement of my opening post); but I got your attention. :innocent:

However, the problem lies deeper. If more and more AI generated content gets the streams (esp. if they ‘appear’ to be from artists users like and/or follow), the thinner the cut will be that the real artist gets. Remember that most streaming platforms have a fixed amount of royalty payout that gets divided over the total number of streams. The fewer streams belong to the actual flesh-and-blood artist, the less they get paid. At some point the business model of actually uploading one’s music to the streaming services (thin as it is already for any but the wildly popular artists) will collapse, as the costs will outweigh the benefits.

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I thought this issue did not concern me but when I scrolled a bit further down the suggested new album list there it was - Fred Hersch’s name used falsely. This is really annoying.

i haven’t seen any of these on qobuz - but as last time i looked at their recommendations they hadn’t grasped the concept of classical music i tend to ignore any suggestions. but the idea of real artists giving up supplying tracks to the streamers is worrying