The End of DSLR's

On Jpeg the largest format but it is only a quarter of the size of Raw , I haven’t dived further into the menus

I would be quite prepared to accept that software may need updating but a week of non-response was the deal breaker.

I should have stayed with Wex who are brilliant

Going back to the original question, on my first experiences with the lightness of mirrorless v DSLR I am quite impressed with the lightness and my ability to read the camera settings through the viewfinder

I moved from a Canon 5D III with a 24-105 F4 to a Canon R5 with 28-70 F2. What is this lightness that I hear people talk about?

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Thanks @Simon-in-Suffolk did not realise this existed, will have to investigate that option.

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I recently bought a K3 Mkiii to replace my 15 year old K10D.
It’s a excellent piece of kit.

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Anybody have any experience of a Nikon Zfc?
Rather like the retro look of it and as the director of finance has said stop looking at 2nd hand and get something new that you will be happy with, it would be rude not to look into a new camera.
Thanks every one for helpful advise about buying an old body to replace / repair the D5000 think this is the way forward so that at least it has some value against new camera.

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Have you never had a situation before where the software you have doesn’t recognise the RAW files? I have once before when I changed to different software with a camera that was about 3 years old, and as reported in an earlier email in this thread I had it with my R. It is very common when new cameras are released - again, as explained in an earlier email of mine it is more the software house’s “fault” than the camera manufacturer.

As you note the R10 was only announced in May, meaning it is extremely new, and software houses inevitably need time to catch up - likely it will be in the next software update, which in many cases are released every few months and not specially at every new camera model release. It may be that if you contacted them they could advise when the next release will be, or even send you a beta version. But if you are using Mac’s generic photo add-on app, I wouldn’t expect updates for new camera releases to be as quick as specialist software susch as Lightroom etc.

Meanwhile the pics you have taken are not lost, but simply require a bit of patience to access. (i always shot in raw and jpg simultaneously, as that enables me to view immediately on any old software if I can’t access my laptop, while the overhead is minimal.
I hope this helps.

Near perfect summary, of the reality. Others have said similar things, but to no avail.

No I’v never been in this situation, I’ve a 6D, 7D Mk 11 and a 4000 (bought for lightness ). The software is Apple , not the greatest - but it does what I want . I would expect a product to operate as promised , out of the box.

Anyway , it’s over now - after waiting a calendar week for a reply from the retailer , the camera was returned .

However , I do think mirrorless has two very distinct advantages, lightness and the settings are very readable through the viewfinder .

There are some photos I want next month in Malta , the prickly pears and a dry stone wall . Very simple -but a favourite memory from many years ago. I didn’t want to lug a big camera around.

Guess it’s the 4000 then.

I should also say that I’ve hung on in the past with a camera I had concerns about and it was much more difficult to sort it out later than sooner

Get a GR!

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Agreed, the FTZ adapter works perfectly. I use the FTZii adapter all the time. However the weight of the mirrorless lens is very seductive.

Are you sure it doesn’t? Many people, but presumably not you, use specialist photo editing packages if they are bothering with the extra picture quality that raw offers - for example Lightroom: are you sure it doesn’t work with the vast majority of them? And I’d be willing to bet it will work with Canon’s own free photo editing program, which when I last bought a Canon camera was included with it, or otherwise I believe is downloadable from Canon.

Edit: the quickest of Google searches led to a link to Canon website where it stated state that the R10 raw fikes are supported by its software, and another link to a DPReview news item from 2 months ago saying “Adobe RAW support for EOS R7 and R10 are already ready” followed by a comment by someone adding “Glad to see Adobe and Canon working together to get this out asap, more camera manufacturers should do this. Send the profiles of the camera sensor to Adobe and other developers before the camera ships.”

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I wouldn’t expect Apple to upgrade Photos everytime a new camera appears on the market. It’s not a specialist app, it works well with JPEGS, but “developing” raw files is a different story. I couldn’t use iPhoto for a long while when I got my XT2, although it was ok with the XE1. After I’d upgraded from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS 13, everything was fine.

I don’t own it, but independent reviews are good- it looks great too- personally would prefer it in FF

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To a multitude of groans and disbelief :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth: I too am looking at a Nikon ZFC , try Ken Rockwell for a review.

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Try DPreview.com for a detailed review too.

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Are you going to get it in mint green?

At least by getting an older camera there is a good chance that Apple will have bothered to support it.

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I had a look at Mint Green , but most likely black :frowning::frowning::frowning:. I did like the Mint Green but it is only available from Nikon and adds about a hundred pounds

If I go down that route , it will be because I have a need for a light :bulb: camera , and mirrorless seems to offer a way forward. I can trade in my 4000 if I don’t go green

I am using the latest Mac software , so hopefully ….

It does!

I hope for your sake it works with it, but see my last post, and the one that followed by SamClaus. Otherwise you’ll just have to use jog and keep the raw files for later, or buy specialist photo software.

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All camera manufacturers give you a link to their software on their site. But many people are happy with JPEGs. You can see if Lightroom or Capture 1 support your camera. There are lots of RAW converters, I used Gimp for a few years which is like an older Photoshop without the graphic front end. I’m learning Capture 1.