The Listening Room Reality

Good Morning All,

A light hearted entry. I have a total of 9 GIK panels and I’m now up to four labels having dropped off and been the cause of the death of two woodlice…

Regards

Richard

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Not having labels probably makes them look better! (I think If they are in a visible position I‘d take the labels off at the time of installing if it was me.)

As for woodlice I am amazed that ability to appear! When I did up my house I sealed every gap: e.g. between floorboards, between skirting board and floor skirting board and walls etc in every room - yet still they keep appearing, constantly! It’s not even as if they have flexible body is able to squeeze to a pinprick hole that might have been missed.

Another nice video from Acoustic Fields.

Acoustic Treatment - Types & Positions

A very straightforward presentation.
Might be of some help.
Worth the 8 minutes.

–> https://youtu.be/-Z0MbkhBlhs

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And another nice video from Acoustic Fields .

Acoustic Treatment - The low frequencies problem (under 100Hz)

4 minutes of obviousness not always understood.

–> https://youtu.be/dtxZIlFMwIY

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Comb Filtering - Definition:

Explained in 60 seconds.

(untreated first reflection points result in comb filtering effect)

–> https://youtu.be/-Nx5DojeSec?t=329

Got three frames for the bass traps so they are 2” off the wall. Very happy. The other 3 frames coming tomorrow.

Don’t know whether to move the two traps from behind the speakers and place at the side or rear walls instead… should have made another 2 traps I suppose.

I removed the TV between my speakers just to see how things go and was pleasantly surprised imaging, soundstaging and presence improved. Overall the sound opened up. Not sure how I’m going back with the TV in between and now have a 3 month old Samsung 55” QLED TV sitting on the floor.

Try putting the TV back (against the wall) and moving the speakers further forward.

My speakers are already pulled out as much as possible in my space (front baffle about 80cm from the wall behind the speaker). I tried setting back the TV as close as possible to the wall (about 20cm) but I still find it sounds best without it there. For lack of a better description I can “see thru” the stereo image.

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Hi aproo. If possible you could try and manage 1st reflections on your back wall behind your listening position with absorption panels. This is how I have managed a large glass surface behind my speakers to no longer have a negative effect. My speakers front baffles are 1.6 mtrs off front wall. ATB Peter

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First thing I suggest is put TV back and drape a thick heavy cloth over it (e.g a towel or towels) and listen again. If that improves the sound you could always do that whenever listening to music without TV on, even finding something nice looking for the purpose.

20cm seems a long way from the wall - is it on a stand, rather than Hanging on the wall? the gap behind conceivably could be having an effect. That suggests a second thing to try: if not how it was, try hanging on the wall - or if it was, then with a slimmer mount Getting it as close as possible, maybe 5 cm or less. However as it may or may not make a difference, it wound be better to try first rather than buy and fit a mount, if you can contrive a means of supporting it in about the right place (e.g. on a couple of vertical lengths of chunky timber, and with a brace from top bevel out to the floor to prevent toppling forward). Then try it - with and without a fabric drape.

If the latter, then try putting the furniture back without the TV and listen. If adverse effect, then put TV on it but flat against the wall not on its feet holding it away from the wall (you may need a bracing rod of some sort to stop it falling forward). If the Tas if hit was that causing the issue you may find simply hanging TV on with with nothing else does the trick

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I went on your system pic. Very nice. Perhaps you can try to put your tv on the right, a bit under the window. Or directly on the wall.
But like you i prefer nothing between speakers, and the imagination of musicians is also easier in that case, not only the sound quality.

Yes I agree with you. The problem is once you’ve heard it without the object in between it’s very hard to go back.

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Maybe a projector if you really need the screen

I moved my TV out of the living room music area …

I agree. It took me a long time to realise my TV which is in the middle of speakers was causing some nasty HF reflections. I cant remove it as nowhere else for it to go, but I moved it further back to the wall and speakers more forward and viola an improvement. Still have a low-end issue which is due to my listening position which can’t change . Tried some traps but they did not get passed the other half . I can’t go for really thick panel either. Been looking at the gik traps and adding photos to get printed on it. She’s ok with that idea. Having trouble deciding on what pictures to use is now the hard task.

Tools to understand, explain or improve your room acoustics:

https://amcoustics.com/

The ultimate BassTrap

AVAA C20 Active Bass Trap by PSI Audio

This is an active bass trap that effectively absorbs frequencies below 150 Hz , like a hole in the wall, or an open window, would do. A costly but perfect solution for rooms under 50 square meters.
I’ll probably try one of those :smiley:

What it is, and how it works:
–> https://youtu.be/1bRz7yXiLNg

Review:
–> https://youtu.be/_87j_leKuA4

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Another PSI Audio AVAA C20 active bass trap review

–> https://youtu.be/kFFlOIQ-8C4

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An interesting/funny video about the one reality most of us ignore, consciously or not:

Even in the best treated listening rooms we can’t avoid distortion (comb filtering), especially in the low end.

–> https://youtu.be/DE91E7DsmhI

The video ends with some nice and free advises.

The more I learn about room acoustics, the more obvious becomes the following fact:

The room is probably the most important part of a music reproduction system. Speakers being only second on the list.

Therefore, are headphones the ultimate music (stereo) reproduction systems? :thinking:

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You can, by ‘soffit mounting’ the speakers, so their front baffles are flush with the wall (but angled walls may be necessary, and in practice likely requiring a false wall). That’s how recording studios do it.