One has to trust counterparties to some extent in all transactional relationships.
I donāt believe it is unprofessional for a man to state that he likes one HiFi system more than another.
And I donāt think the dealer in question is trolling, if by trolling you mean that his main purpose is to wind people up.
The fact that he is clearly labelled as a trade user of the forum makes it clear that he has an interest in publicly supporting the new range of a brand that he stocks, but that is transparent.
And if so and transparent, you think itās ok to promote commercial interests here??
Isnāt that the kind of line crossing Richard watches out for?
Youāre not having it both ways, not sure what your comment is supposed to mean.
I as well and his pov makes a lot more sense when you have actual listening experience with the NC kit. Thereās nothing spammy about his opinion in my view. This new kit is a big step forward for Naim ime and some folks just donāt want to acknowledge that.
I used to trust you until you moved away from those lovely Proacās to PMC! Trader LOL.
When so many posts are about one Forum Memberās comments, rather than about the Title of the Threadā¦ Somethingā¦ IMOā¦ is wrongā¦
YMMV.
The poster in question seems to really enjoy the sonic signature of the new range.
And so do most of the other people who have bought new range.
If a dealer could not post enthusiastically about Naim products, then there would be no point in allowing them to post on here at all.
Thereās different ways of selling products. One camp are those that claim the new products always are million times better. Always. And that what you have is something that belong 6 feet under. I usually think of them as not very good listeners. Money first.
Then there are those with a more gentleman kind of approach that listen to those having legacy products and love them and respect them for it and give constructive good/bad things with both, not in order to always make the next sales but to make customers happy even if they stay with and love what they currently have if thatās the outcome. The long term partnership.
I guess this sales rep falls in one of those camps.
This suggests you simply havenāt found the right naim dealers.
We have dealt with a number of dealers to get to the system we have, and weāve received excellent advice along the way (and on our possible routes ahead).
Not at the moment. Sorry
Dealers are due to start receiving their New Classic 300 demo units in the coming weeks. Ours are scheduled to land on 15/09.
No. This suggests that I am realistic. All dealers are biased towards the brands that they stock. They are not an independent source of advice. This is self-evident - they are businesses out to make money.
I have not suggested that you will necessarily get the wrong advice for you. Just that it will not be independent and that it will be biased.
I agree, historically where Iāve had a dealer Iāve received great advice and those dealers owned Naim as their personal systems. And they were always enthusiastic about upgrades and new kit coming down the pipeline. As they should. When I moved the only Naim dealer I had was also a Linn dealer and he was trying to sell me Linn when I visited. So it wasnāt surprising when they dropped Naim from their offering. Most of the criticism Iām reading here seems more like sour grapes than anything else. I recall similar when Naim introduced the old black boxes after the olive kit. Some folks just donāt want to move on.
I find it incredibly strange that any suggestion that dealers are not independent sources of advice, and therefore cannot be trusted as such, should elicit such obvious consternation and anger.
If you want to believe that your dealer is in business to provide you with the best independent advice available rather than to make money from you then thatās your call. I wonder if you view all retailers through such rose-tinted spectacles? Or are hi-fi dealers somehow a special breed apart from other sellers?
One of the dealers we use runs a high end multi box system with no naim components at all, and some of the kit he doesnāt sell either.
So when he compares that to what he does sell Iād say that is unbiased. Especially when the kit being offered is not, in his opinion, better.
We chose to buy naim, it wasnāt pushed on us. Much of our purchasing was based on SWMBO wanting a lounge friendly plain look - replacing traditional black boxes like Rotel/Micromega. So Chord was out, even though their amps sounded great (their ensemble stand being described as āsomething from the international space stationā)
I went to the activity of the OP. During the last months, on both part 1 and 2 of the new classic range topic, I could count 36 quite same exact posts about how the 222/300/250 is better vs the preceding range. 36!!
It seems like youāre doing a lot of projecting here, Iām not angry and I donāt get the impression lainO is angry. One dealer posting enthusiastically about the new gear they sell doesnāt mean all dealers are biased and up to no good.
Heās not wrong. Why would Naim release new kit thatās not better than the previous? Many years ago when I owned a CD3.5/FC/Nait3 my dealer was pretty convincing the CDX was a much better player than the CD3.5 and that a 82/250 was better than the Nait3. He wasnāt wrong.
Not quite sure what your point is? So he privately owns some kit that isnāt Naim or that indeed he doenāt sell. So what?
How so?
Well if he were unbiased then he would quickly go out of business. He would have to say āI sell Naim but actually I think brand X is better and thatās why I own it myself. So if I were you I would get yourself down to the dealer in the next street that sells that brand and buy from themā.