The 250DR was the best of the bunch and I liked it until I heard the 250NC and I put the DR ahead of the 250.2. I owned and/or demoed all the kit in my comment. I know it’s hard for some to accept the OC kit is no longer the latest and greatest and that customers old and new are going to prefer the NC to the OC. It’s no big deal, listen to what you like.
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We’re well aware our kit isn’t the latest or greatest. But it still stands up very well.
But those imbuing the 222 with capabilities it doesn’t have is frankly a little silly.
We thought it best to check out the new kit before making any real decision on where to go with our office system (there’s another thread running on that).
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I’m getting confused now. Did you do a direct comparison between these two set-ups? I can’t imagine people would be lining up to sell the 252 setup for the 222 one? Though, to be fair, the 252 system would be much better with a PS fronting the NDX2.
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May be you should allow for the remote possibility that some of us did not quite get along with the NDX2 and, for all its virtues and richness, it always sounded a bit bloated to me - and the XPSDR did not help in this respect either.
May be this has something to do with why the NDX2 chip was not used further? Or may be not?
May be you should trust your own ears more and not the “couple of dealers” with golden ears who you keep quoting? Or may be not?
Personally, I couldn’t be happier with the new music interpretation that the NC offers. I even let my Nait 2 go because of that. (And yes, I know that’s probably not ok!:))
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It’s very much each to their own.
We like the NC sound and will be exploring it more.
naim have explained their chip choice, it simply sounded better in the new implementation.
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I’m the one in this conversation that can comment on the abilities of the 222 and the OC kit I’ve mentioned. My opinion is as valid as anyone’s. The NDX2 is a good streamer but it’s not the best for SQ. And the OC separates were not a value proposition for me b/c for the money the SQ wasn’t up to par. Which is why I went the 272/555/250DR route which for the money is pretty good SQ. But none of it compares to the NC which is different and better for me to my ears. YMMV.
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Always amazes me how some change bits after only a few months of ownership, and they always get “close to what I paid for it” 
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A little curious as to which “we” you are referring to in this context?
We as in my wife and I.
Our system is a team effort, being in the lounge. SQ and aesthetics both must coexist.
I want a Dave, hard sell. Nd555 more likely to gain approval - slot in for NDX2.
Compromise.
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The 222/300/250NC is streets ahead of the 272/PSU/250.
No doubt there.
But 272/XPSDR/250DR (which we owned) was easily beaten for SQ as a streaming platform by ND5XS2/282/HCDR when we demoed. Not really even close.
So going from a 272/PSU/250DR is no doubt a wow moment, the 222/300 being better than that old (282 based) classic combo to our ears (even on a very short listen). Jump up in SQ. And the new naim house sound.
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Depends on the marketplace.
Some countries perhaps.
UK NC250 are already available at 25% discount, trade ins from upgrades to 3xx.
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You’re entitled to your opinion but I found the 272/555 to be better than ndx2 fronted separates up to 252 and even then it wasn’t that much better. NDX2 needs a PS to get in the competition. That’s not to say the 272 is exceptional or anything but the 555 really makes it shine. And it’s all neither here nor there at this point because the 222/555/250 is a big improvement over them all and that’s mostly due to the change in sonic characteristics.
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Everyone’s ears are different.
We put an nDAC in front of a 272 and, even with the most basic streaming source, it was a huge improvement over gen1 streaming/DAC in the 272 with XPSDR (to our ears).
Strength of the 272 was the pre section in our opinion.
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Question is if a customer bought a 250NC and then bought 350 NCs would they take a big hit or would the dealer give a nice discount to sweeten the deal. Some want the latest and are ready to trade in after months.
For me I try to buy used always. I got great deal on mint Focal Sopra 2s. Half price 6 months old.
Wish you could get 350NC for half price 6 months old. Maybe 25% off at best, if that I reckon 350s will hold value until new 500NC series comes out. Which will be an amazing barmy system close to statement I reckon.
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I guess that depends on your relationship with the dealer and negotiation skills!
Surely no one could ever expect not to lose a small amount when changing kit? The dealer still has to move on the lightly used unit. I’m quite surprised at just how deep the discount is after only a few months. If we were in market for 250NC we’d be delighted.
I doubt we’ll see significant discount on 350 in short term, unfortunately - the NC250 at 25% discount are due to upgrade to 3xx.
Where would 350 owners be going!? And volumes will be quite low.
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I think if you can get a NC250 for £3750 to £4250 you are doing well.
But you can get a 250DR for around £2000. In time prices will drop and find their level.
This is why I don’t buy new gear. It costs a fortune and after 5 years you can get it for half price.
The new 333 interests me.
Let’s see what happens. If they are giving 25% discounts off units and exonomy not being great we may find these units having bigger discounts. When things are bad with unstable economy it becomes a strong buyers market. And the prices on OC will come down, especially on auctions.
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I would imagine that once the nc range is the norm and no longer new, the usual discounts will apply. At the moment I would imagine discounts on new gear would be more difficult to find. Second hand gear is always different and determined by the market. If I was looking to buy secondhand NC wouldn’t be paying above 65% of new list. I’d wait for usual new discounts to be available. I am waiting to hear the 350 monoblocks so sadly all talk of discounts is academic. 
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Lol yes us too, the 350s are definitely the most interesting component for us.
I sincerely doubt negotiations will proceed as they did with (soon to be) discontinued classics 
All the OC components I’ve purchased s/h over the years were <2 yo and around 50% of retail. I was in no hurry to upgrade but those deals materialized more frequently than I expected. After my experience with the pre-DR stuff I didn’t see the point of paying more than ~50% of retail. The NC is a better value proposition, while the components are little more expensive individually, you’re getting more SQ/per box. My opinion of course.
I think its all price relative personally, looking at what you can buy these days used vs new. a 552dr is cheaper than a 332 used or new. i know what id buy
It also depends how your old stuff was set up, i do think at 252 level gear you need two stacks to really hear it