Time for room treatment I think

The problems with doing that is, no where else to put the cabinet other than tip it and it was quite expensive.
The fraim would stick out quite a bit more and then this would make the speaker move further over.
That would then get very close to TV
Also the speaker would be firing straight into some off the boxes, the layout of the boxes on the fraim, would mean turntable now very difficult to get at as speaker in the way, etc.
My special mains plugs are behind the rack and so in the wrong place now really.

So I don’t think it works really and moving things about has crossed my mind, but I can’t really see an other way.
My speakers are quite a way forward from the front edge of the fraim, hopefully that helps?

Ceiling treatment was the last part of room treatment i did .

Initially just had 2 x 242 panels on the ceiling at the first reflection points and found a good improvement

Later , after talking with GIK , i added 2 more 242’s over the speakers and 2 more over the listening position. These gave an even greater improvement , really changed the feel of the room for the better.

A

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Having the speakers in front is better than having them inline but the positioning of the Fraim in the centre will still compromise the SQ to some degree. I would have thought that in the context your fabulous system, moving the cabinet would be in your best interests to see whether it makes a worthwhile improvement and you may find that you longer require so much room treatment. It’s also free and only requires some of your time :relaxed:

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Just too many things to overcome to even think about it, so other solutions needed

Everything I’ve read and watched on YouTube (where there are some very knowledgeable content creators) tells me that you need to measure the room and then solve for specific issues.

Just ‘throwing’ various products on your walls and ceiling would seem to be absolutely the wrong way to do it.

You might convince yourself that you’ve improved things; that’s our common practice.

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Towards the end of my thread here, you will see discussions that lead to some low ish cost room treatments I did that ended up well in the new listening room the main system is now in:

What size room do you have Dunc? Have you tried REW room measurements?

As a free trial to get some idea of how the sound will change throw a blanket over that TV, and maybe also the unit to cover the glass.

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I think you probably need to train the dog to sleep in the sweet point for sound treatment when you are listening and maybe get another to balance the sound.

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No not yet, but will have a look cheers
Will add the room size once home

Great idea, I can place a spare duvet over both

The other big dog is also in the room but hidden from view
Plus we have 5 dogs so could try and get 2 to sit on the side to help reduce reflection lol

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Hi Dunc, indeed I have tried treating 1st ceiling reflection with various remedies from full diffusion ( 100% redirection) to Vicoustic foam panels to various thickness of wool…… and I simply didn’t like it! Maybe it’s something to do with my hearing, but I ended up with nothing added to the ceiling.
I feel also that I’ve managed to reduce reverb in admittedly more convenient places and per se don’t suffer a slap echo in my room, which absorbers mounted on the ceiling would address.
As for the pine cabinet on the right hand side, could you invite your wife on a luxury holiday and whilst away get a trusted friend to chuck a hand grenade into it?! :face_with_hand_over_mouth::joy: ( sorry it had to be said).
You could also maybe move the bottom row of your left hand wall photographs away, so the left speaker’s tweeter is not firing onto the glass of the framed photos at 1st reflection point.
I really do feel, that your speakers need far more breathing space, which I appreciate may not be possible in your home?
Good luck Peter
PS. Maybe I should mention throughout my room treatment venture it was imperative for me NOT to ‘kill the sound’ or retain liveliness in my room. :+1:t3:

Dunc - you have such a great set up there. Please get rid of that orange pine dresser!! As others have suggested putting the Fraim against that wall (even behind the line of your Fact 12s) would be optimal and you may not need any room treatment then. I appreciate that there are always domestic compromises in play but for the amount you’ve invested in your system surely getting the rig out from between the speakers and allowing the Facts to breathe has to be a priority? Good luck👍🏻

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Just for illustration this is the breathing space I allowed my much loved Fact 12s :+1:t3: ATB Peter

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…as do egg cartons :thinking:

Cheers Peter.

As said I just want to try and get the most from it, as I feel as far as box swapping goes, it’s done.
I know my room is not helping, but at the same time it does sound very good, as other have heard it and I mean other audio nuts like us lol.

So I have just thrown some duvets over the TV and wall cabinet, not sure now good this is compared to the panels, but it has changed the sound slightly, not a big difference, but a difference.
I would say it has deaden the sound slightly, if that’s the right word to use, but the bass seems to be also slightly more prominent, maybe because the higher frequency is less?
But the coving of the TV made very little difference, so I feel it is that cabinet causing me the most problems as we all thought. So I feel for sure a large panel each side of each speaker that is free standing so i can move when needed is the first thing to get or make and then see about the rear wall if I feel the need

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You have effectively just shown why its a common complaint that room treatment kills the room , and thats with a small amount of treatment.

Its obvious the bass seems more prominent if you kill the top end. Imagine if you added more proper full range panels , it would kill it even more. Full range panels are much more effective at treating the mid/top end and rather poor on the bass. The problem is generally in using the wrong type of treatment , in the wrong position and in the wrong quantity.

Most rooms need much more bass treatment than full range. I only have full range treatment on first reflection points and on the ceiling. All my other panels are range limited bass traps. In your case i would definitely use Monster Bass range limited traps both on the rear wall and sides. They can be mounted to make them free standing and moveable.

I wouldnt worry about ceiling treatment at the moment.

I think you’d be pleasantly surprised at the effect HAF (Home Audio Fidleity) filters can have.

.sjb

Rooms are the biggest individual aspect of our hobby. I recently moved my system from a fully carpeted and well damped room to a new extension which is a lot larger and open, with hard flooring. Before I moved it I was convinced I’d need something to dampen the highs but I didn’t. I’m lucky enough to not have any first reflections, vaulted ceiling and speakers well away from any walls. A simple rug and curtains proved to be enough. The sound is livelier than the old room but it’s fantastic with it.

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