Amazing speakers for sure but as more than 10K perhaps a bit Ā« to much Ā» for a Nait 50.
At least not the best price ratio for meā¦pairing a NAC282/NAP250.2 would be another story
50% of budget on loudspeakers.
We will all be in jobs for a while yet guess it depends on system because with a Nait 50 might make some limited sense (although with source of ND555 being recommended I doubt it).
Mind you, when I see the effect AI or some āinfluencersā have on the youth today Iām not sure.
Thanks Ian for your feedback. However, in the demonstration (see above) the P3ESR did not seem convincing to me. This was probably due to the room (approx. 30 square metres). The Compact 7 ES-3 XCD were clearly better. Speakers from the LS 3/5 tradition are frequently recommended in this thread. This seems to be a good choice in smaller rooms with Nait50, as are the smaller Neat models. Here in Switzerland, these are not so easy to get for testing (at least near me). Much more common are PMC, Sonus Faber, PMC, Dynaudio. However, these do not seem to be widespread among Nait50 owners or some have not had such good experiences with them. And yes, the Franco Serblin Accordo are amazing, but also quite expensive compared to the Nait50 and my other devices.
Speaking of speaker cables: I use Tellurium Ultra Black II, which I bought second-hand from my dealer. Compared to other speaker cables Iāve tried, theyāre streets ahead and well worth a try.
Oh yes, my room is smaller and I have heard both the LS3/5A and P3 ESR in a little larger room with the NAIT 50 , I am not surprised by your comments
The Tellurium Ultra Black would be a highly effective speaker cable, and I whole heartedly recommend the full fat power line with the Nait 50
In case it has not been mentioned here and FWIW - There are some video clips on youtube of tracks playing through NAIT 50 & Luxman LX-380 into Rogers LS 5/9 SE, Dynaudio Heritage Special and also NAIT 50 into Stirling LS 3/5A V3. I am not sure if the volume is matched in the clips (i.e. did not check)
Agreed on the 7s. They are astonishing, especially considering how little they cost. How do you find them with the Nait 50? Does it drive them well enough?
I had the Previous version, the C7Se3 and 250.2/282 was to my ears the minimum to let them sing the right way.
My wish driving them with an SN3 was not successfulā¦in a 30 square meter and a bit ābrightā room.
Yes, extremely well to my ears. Theyāre lovely at all levels but once at 9 - 9.30 sound even better
This setup is in a very small room though (approx 7ft x 12ft) and firing the short length, near field.
One day Iāll put them in the main room next to the SBLās to see how they like 135ās up them!
I run my Nait 50 into a pair of Diapason Micra 3 Excel speakers with extremely good results and would recommend. I have always hankered for a listen with the Dynaudio Heritage speakers but alas I donāt think they are available any more (limited edition).
I have seen the beautifully crafted Diapasons on YT and I believe you that they compliment the N50 well.
Yes - they sound as good as they look. Would like to compare to Harbeth/Spendor/Dynaudio at some point. They donāt get many recommendations nor are they mentioned much by other listeners.
After three demo sessions at the local hifi shop Iāve listen to the following speakers with NAIT 50.
ATC scm 19
ATC scm 11
Proac Response DB1
PMC prodigy 1
PMC Prodigy 5
Harbeth LS3/5A
Neat Petite classic
Bowers and Wilkins 706.
The Bowers and Wilkins were by far the best match.
They reveal twice as much music as any of the rest.
In fact whilst all the others were very good in their own right, they seemed to filter out some of the music compared to the Bowers and Wilkins.
I believe the NAIT 50 is best paired with easy to drive speakers. The Harbeth and ATCs are nice but not the best match for all kinds of music.
Both PMCs were ok. The transmission line bass does have a good ākickā although generally sounding no better than the rest.
I liked the Neat petites and the Pro Ac Response DB1s but they did not come close to the natural and reavealing sound of the Bowers 706.
This has all put me in a dilemma as I really would like to pair a British made speaker with my NAIT 50.
I need to find a British made set of speakers that sound close to the Bowers otherwise I shall end up having to buy these āMade in Chinaā ones.
Bowers 805 need a slightly more Watts than the NAIT 50 has.
Maybe Mission 770s worth a listen to.
How about the spendor 4/5?
Hi, I find the Rissell K range of speakers seem to match well the characteristics of the N50ā¦ I currently prefer the RK speakers over ATC, PMC and Dynaudio speakers for near to mid field listening on my N50ā¦ the RKs seems to provide the air and space in recordings that can make them sound more believable and less like āmusicā.
I have found the N50 quite flexible with speakers, with its peak current of 15 Amps (225 Watts) being able to handle tricky speaker loads well, albeit not at loud party loudness for average sensitivity speakers. The N50 will get rather warm though if itās working hard.
In addition to the last post of @Simon-in-Suffolk I can add a story about Russell K. loudspeakers, that are used also by other forum members with Naim systems. In Switzerland there is only one dealer (Audiopur in Fribourg) who sells Russel K. I had seen on the homepage that Russell Kauffman himself is coming to workshops and to present the new Red50se, which had been presented at the Bristol Hifi Show 2024. Because I was in the area on business, I stopped by. Russell gave a detailed presentation of his approach to speaker design and demonstrated it with examples (no internal damping, but separate internal chambers for the drivers, connected by holes). The goal is optimal timing and naturalness of voices and instruments, based on months of listening tests, rather than on the basis of measurement protocols.
We first listened to the standard RK red50, then the more elaborate SE version. Since Audiopur is not a Naim dealer, we listened with Rose RS130 and Resolution Cantata with Reson cabling. Even the red50 is an impressive loudspeaker with a wide spectrum, good bass quality and excellent quality in the midrange, upper midrange and high frequencies. It is certainly not a loudspeaker for everyone. It is unadorned and honest, with great strengths in vocals and small ensembles with natural instruments. The SE version (which is, however, also significantly more expensive) is even better in every respect. The bass is deeper, tighter and the clarity and resolution are clearly superior. The tonal balance was absolutely coherent, but also absolutely honest in terms of the quality of the recordings. The Redās are fast, dynamic and reveal details, especially in the mid and high frequencies they are present. The spatiality in the depth is also impressive, even though I have heard the location of the instruments in the width sharper (maybe even exaggeratedly sharp) with other speakers. It was also surprising that the small Redās were not overwhelmed in a rather large and deep listening room, especially in the low frequencies. By comparison, we also listened to the Red120SE floor-standing speakers. In the bass and low bass range, they were clearly superior (no wonder given the size of the room). The sound was significantly larger, more voluminous and initially more impressive. However, the Red50SE seemed to me to be almost better in tonality and precision, even though the stage was smaller. Also, given the extra cost of the 120SE, the Red50SE seems to me to be a good choice for listeners with high demands in terms of neutrality and speed. We listened to a variety of music styles and audio samples (including classics like Take Five and Smooth Operator) and many were impressive. I was also amazed that on a Friday afternoon there were always (changing) 5-10 people there, and that they were of all ages, including families, not just grey-haired hi-fi fans. All in all, it was an exciting afternoon and I learned a lot, including about loudspeaker technology. Thanks to Russell for coming and to Michael from Audiopur for the organisation.
Got a lot of time for him, nice guy, and meticulous on set ups.
The third picture has some very weird stuff going on. Is it some sort of caricature effect? Itās most disconcerting.
Wide angle lens & proximity?
No dont care. It is just a snapshot out of the dynamics of the presentationā¦.
I have now reduced the size of the image with the section. It should show the inner structure of the speaker that I mentioned in the post. The photo is not that sharp, but it is only for documentation purposes. I hope that fits.