RadioParadise Flac Streams not working

[Adrian_P]

Hi @jarro, just confirming stream-test is also working for me on Minim 0.8.

Thanks!

[Adrian_P]

Hi John,

Take a look at this post and then read through the rest of the thread. That should bring you up to speed.

Radio Paradise FLAC........and ALAC

This has been an interesting thread and investigation into radio streaming with MinimStreamer. I have been using MinimStreamer for years now to transcode my locally ripped FLAC files to WAV on the fly. To do this, I had set the stream.transcode property to flac:wav. When I recently added the lossless radio streams from Radio Paradise and JBRadio2 everything worked without me needing to change anything on the transcoding side. This was good for me as I didn’t want to mess up transcoding of my lo…

Adrian

[JohnP]

Brilliant, thanks Adrian. I got it working by transcoding *:L16.
I’ll now go back over all the thread about inserting the graphics for RP. It looked straightforward but I haven’t done it because there wasn’t much point whilst it didn’t play!
Thanks

[Adrian_P]

Hi @jarro, looks like you have applied the fix to the stream.radioparadise.com urls – thanks for that.

I’d be interested to know what the problem was and how it was fixed, if you are able to share.

Thanks,
Adrian

[jarro]

@Adrian_P Sure, some older clients make http 1.1 requests but don’t support chunked transfer encoding. (that is out of spec) But for regular streaming it’s not used/needed, so safe to disable.

[Csi_basel]

Thanks a lot Jarro, Stevesky and Adrian_P - well done guys!

I have changed my m3u file and removed ‘icy-8’ from the urls and replaced with stream.
I have noticed that the flac stream starts up almost instantaneously now. With icy-8 there was a 2 second pause.

[ElMarko]

Same here, I changed my RP urls from icy8 to stream and they play quicker now. Thanks @jarro!

[Adrian_P]

Hi all, just setting up and testing the new Naim HD radio streams for MinimStreamer and I found that the https RP streams have stopped working for me again. @jarro have there been any recent changes that might affect streaming through MinimStreamer? The http links work fine.

[Csi_basel]

Hi Adrian_P
The RP flac streams on mimimstreamer are working fine for me. Currently listening to the MellowMix. Cheers -

Here is my file.
#EXTINF:-1,[RP] Radio Paradise FLAC
https://stream.radioparadise.com/flac

#EXTINF:-1,[RPMellow] Radio Paradise Mellow Mix FLAC
https://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

#EXTINF:-1,[JBRadio2] JB Radio2
http://199.189.87.9:10999/flac

#EXTINF:-1,[RPRock] Radio Paradise Rock Mix FLAC
https://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac

[ElMarko]

They’re still working for me on minimserver 2. That said, I accidentally upgraded to minimserver 2 and hadn’t installed the streamer package so my radio streams weren’t working until I installed that package.

[Adrian_P]

@Csi_basel @ElMarko Thanks for confirming guys. I reinstalled Java where I run Minim and it seems to have fixed the issue for the RP https links.

However, I’m still having a problem with the new HD Naim Radio links that Richard posted on the recent HD Radio thread. Could you test these links with MinimStreamer?

#EXTINF:-1,[NaimRadio] Naim Radio
https://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8362/flac.flac

#EXTINF:-1,[NaimClassical] Naim Classical
https://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8252/class-flac.flac

#EXTINF:-1,[NaimJazz] Naim Jazz
https://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8342/jazz-flac.flac

The first one (Naim Radio) fails with the same SSLHandshake exception that we were seeing with RP before jarro fixed the issue. Classical and Jazz both work fine for me. Do you see the same?

[ElMarko]

All of my streams are working now with minimserver2. I copied the urls from Richard’s post and they worked immediately. I went to the Mother Earth site and got the url for that station and added it as well. It was buffering/cutting out the first day but is playing okay today so I think it’s working.

Here’s my m3u playlist:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:-1,[RP] Radio Paradise
http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac
#EXTINF:-1,[RPMellow] RP Mellow Mix
http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac
#EXTINF:-1,[RPRock] RP Rock Mix
http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac
#EXTINF:-1,[RPEclectic] RP Eclectic Mix
http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac
#EXTINF:-1,[JBRadio2] JB Radio2
http://199.189.87.9:10999/flac
#EXTINF:-1,[ChillOutZone] Chill Out Zone
http://air.chillout.zone:8000/radio/chillout_plus
#EXTINF:-1,[Naim] Naim Radio
http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8360/flac.flac
#EXTINF:-1,[Naim Classical] Naim Classical
http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8250/class-flac.flac
#EXTINF:-1,[Naim Jazz] Naim Jazz
http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
#EXTINF:-1,[MotherEarth] Mother Earth
http://icecast3.streamserver24.com:18800/motherearth

[ElMarko]

[Stevesky]

Hi @ElMarko

We provide all streams in https and http. See:

Naim Radio Stations

There is a stream variant for virtually every system demand out there.

For an easier life I would propose use the http streams. However, the https streams have a valid certificate and seems to verify on multiple authentication domains.

For those wishing to update their icons the link above has highdef images for station logos.

Best

Steve Harris
Software Director
Naim Audio Ltd.

[ElMarko]

Thank you, @Stevesky.

[GavinB]

Can someone explain what the purpose of the text within the [ ] is? I find it annoying that this is repeated on the screen when it’s playing.

[HiFiman]

Radio Paradise flac works first time every time using a Node 2i never fails.

[dknk]

[Stream ID] Stream Name
[ id ] streamname

If the [ id ] is blank, Minimserver/Streamer won’t process it, i.e - flac/ogg to wav. It will simply pass the stream over to the device unaltered. You want Minimstreamer to transcode the stream to wav for the older streamers for compatibility reasons (most streams won’t even play as they are ogg) and SQ, so it’s best to have something in the [ id ]. It can be just about anything you want.

[Adrian_P]

Hi @stevesky,

The http links work fine. It’s just the Naim Radio https link that doesn’t play through MinimStreamer. It throws the same exception as we were seeing with the Radio Paradise https streams a while back. @jarro explained the reason above:

some older clients make http 1.1 requests but don’t support chunked transfer encoding. (that is out of spec) But for regular streaming it’s not used/needed, so safe to disable.

Perhaps the Naim Radio https stream is also using chunked transfers, while Naim Jazz and Classical are not? In any case, the http links work fine so all good here.

[ElMarko]

Thanks for that info. I don’t really care for the brackets either but will leave them as is.