Roonifying my systems

Glad it’s all up and running, you deserve that drink!

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Good to hear you have a result.

Re the session, you need to run the Bridge either as a service or establish it from crontab on reboot, which means the application is not tied to that session and is running in the background.

I forget that some of this Unix stuff, I did over 30 years on an Sys Admin course as a Graduate Engineer with ICL.

Enjoy your new Endpoints.

Simon

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Don’t know is this thread is still active, it seems the correct one to ask my question…

I have a 272/555/250.2 into ProAc D20R speakers. I’ve a recent addition (well, most of my present set up is quite recent) which is an Audiostore Prestige 3. I am using Roon. I tried the USB/SPDIF route directly from the Prestige but think I prefer the SQ from the traditional Ethernet network path; the Prestige 3 caters for that as it has the Sonore Bridge built in, which I am now using.

So my question is about settings.

On the Sonore Bridge I have

  • Output Format set to WAV (although all my music is stored as FLAC)
  • Max Sample Rate is set to None

In Roon my present setting are:

My question is if these are the correct settings. Appreciate any advice, thanks

Hi

I don’t use flac compression setting on 272 otherwise same as your settings.

CK

As @Ceexkay says don’t use FLAC compression s otherwise you will send FLAC and not PCM to the streamer. It’s the equivalent of transcoding from FLAC to WAV.

There’s a couple of settings I have different. I have:

MQA Capabilities: No MQA Support
Enable MQA Core Decoder: No

I can still play MQA with the first unfold done by Roon so I’m surmising I have these set correctly!

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I have Flac Compression set to off - I then find the Naim Network Players receives WAV from the SonoreUPnP bridge for FLAC, unfolded MQA, ALAC, ACC, MP3 (i.e. all PCM).

Then with DSD handling set at DoP, the Naim Networ Player extracts the DSD from the PCM container, and processes it itself. You can also see if Roon’s DSD-PCM conversion is better than Naim’s on-board solution.

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Thanks Simon, will try that. I presume the DSD setting only applies if you have DSD format music, and does nothing else otherwise?

Yes, files with the dsf or dff extension

My dog nearly jumped out of his fur when I first set up the Sonore bridge and it played at full volume. I’ve noticed that changing the Roon Volume Control from “Device” to “Fixed” causes it to revert to max, whereas if you change from “Fixed” to “Device” it doesn’t.

From my limited experience of Roon/Sonore Bridge it just seems to happen when settings are changed (and then not always). Is it just a case of checking the volume before playing, or is there a fix?

Don’t know - as I only use my Roon endpoints with fixed volume, and use the amp or device’s hardware volume control.
So when ever it does change, I set it from Fixed to Device with a volume setting, take it up to max, then move back to the Fixed settings.
As my Roon endpoints are all sources with external amplification, I want the max input signal as Line input (as if it was a CD player).

Thanks Simon.

Do you/ anyone know what the Roon Device Volume Control actually does/ how it works? This is what Roon say:

If I select this option it controls my 272 volume, and the display on the 272 indicates the volume changes I make, so it must be interacting with 272 rather than just being something that Roon does in isolation; also on the Naim app the volume slider moves in unison with the changes I make in Roon, suggesting it is doing exactly the same thing as the Naim app. This ties in with what Roon say about it.

I’ll try using Fixed Volume + Naim app for volume control compared with the Roon Device Control option for SQ, although expect there to be no difference in which case I don’t need the Naim app at all.

Interested if anyone else has solved this before?

With legacy Naim devices with volume controls like Muso’s, 172/272 using a bridge Roon will correctly send volume ups and downs through to the ‘Squeezelite’ device and on to the player

i.e. you are controlling the volume in the same way you would in the Naim app, it’s not a digital volume control.

Unfortunately it doesn’t work if you have a streamer with a fixed output, i.e. ND5XS/NDX/NDS as it doesn’t pass the volume changes through to system automation. You can work round this by using a Logitech Harmony Hub as an IR blaster and adding a Roon extension to link it all up.

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Thanks, that’s what my observations were telling me, although it is always good to get clarification. Makes things easier being able to the Roon Device Control volume option rather than toggling between different apps, so will use that from now on.

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Raspberry Pi update.
Recap: I’ve installed LMS2UPnP on the Pi but it would only run for about 30 minutes. On my terminal it showed that there was a broken pipe error. My Unix mate said that this is indicative of a breakdown between sub-programs. Moving on, using instructions from people on the forum, I installed the LMS2UPnP on my Mac Mini.; low and behold, it works faultlessly. Why oh why did I not do this first!
I now have two RPi, one with a HiFiberry HAT (it works well), and the other waiting for the HAT to arrive.

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What version of Linux are you running on the RPi?

This is why using the dedicated SonoreUPnP bridge device from SGC would be better than the ‘build it yourself’ approach, in that you get a controlled environment for the bridge to run, with SonicOrbiter.
Yes this device is a little more expensive that a RPi, Case and PSU, but $300 shipped and duties paid, so still good value for what it brings to the NDS.

All I can say is that my SonoreUPnP Bridge to my NDS, is rock solid, plays for hours at a time, consistently.

Interesting thought: latest version of Raspbian.
My Mac Mini is running OSX, Catalina 10.15.4; erroneously, I had thought to run the LMS2UPnP on an old Qnap, I had not thought to run it on the Mac.
My NDS is fed by a Vortexbox / Audiostore server - works like a dream, but I’ve not compared it to the LMSUPnP. Martin had tried me to buy their version of the Sonicorbiter for my ‘Qutes, but I wanted to try the RPi route as I found them fascinating.
I’ve 4 ‘Qutes around the house, now one has a RPi with a HiFiberry HAT, with another on the way. I’ve yet to compare that too.

There other happy users of the SGC SonoreUPnP Bridge here FINAL VOTE: UPNP BRIDGE FOR NDS. YES or NO?

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FWIW I’m currently using three (3) RPi/HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro HAT’s, powered by ifi iPower power supplies, in different set-ups, which are all running rock solid using piCorePlayer. Audiostore Nova gives me Squeezebox server on my Audiostore media server. Never been happier.
I’ve have compared RPi/HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro HAT’s, BNC to BNC, to a microRendu, with a quality LPS, USB to USB, and to my ears there is little, if any difference, in sound quality. This is with a Naim DAC-V1 -> NAP200.

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I was surprised to find that with the LMs2UPnP solution that I could control the volume on my ‘Qutes. An added bonus. Also, it automatically switched from the radio input to UPnP.

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