Spotify lossless is finally happening in October

I did get a popup

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Members in the Netherlands are very fortunate :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Indeed. There is no reason to make this country great again since it is still great. It’s also very equal, we hardly have mountains.

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No need for equalizers…

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I see what you did there

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Have you heard about the call for a boycott because of outrageous investments ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSaHdUZXJzg

A 20 minute video attacking Spotify that the guy says upfront is sponsored and produced by Qobuz?

Pass.

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I felt sympathetic, and would like to continue to support Qobuz even I’ve resumed subscribing to Spotify, but I now am not so sure about Qobuz, maybe I will drop it after watching the YouTube video. It is so counterproductive against Qobuz.

I noted a bulletin from Electrocompaniet last week that said the 24 bit SDK had only been released to a select number of partners, so they couldn’t integrate it yet. An interesting comment, if Naim and others have had it so long.

This is only half-true if you read your own posted URL, basically what Linn said is that older (pre 2018) streamers would not get the support.

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Hi @jobseeker

We’re typically on the tier1 list as we have a large software team and work closely with Streamunlimited and the key suppliers like Apple, Google, Spotify etc.

In the case of Spotify Connect we actually implemented it in 2021 and certified it and your units were all ready for it. Then Spotify changed their mind on how to do it, so we re-engineered it to latest solution, recertified again, pushed it out and then waited again. 18 months later and we’re finally there! Least we were not going to miss the launch.

For some manufacturers who don’t have all these things in-house, typically they pick up pre-cooked code when its in a stable version that has been certified multiple times already and it’s more a paperwork exercise to cert.

Regards

Steve

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Explains why Primare have been caught out. Sounds like they didn’t get the memo when Spotify changed their mind. Lagom in this case wasn’t quite enough for them :blush:

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Hi @Stevesky on the subject of masters, any thoughts on the Apple Digital Master standard? I remember reading their document for engineers years back, and seem to recall it ran something like: “Masters produced at the height of the loudness wars do not make for good lossy files. There needs to be more headroom in the master.”

Since then I bought a few things on iTunes which were labeled as Apple Digital Master. Despite being AAC 256 files, they often sounded better than the lossless CD rips I have of the same music. (Queen Greatest Hits is a good example)

Lossless is now available on my account. I select this. Lossless tag shows when playing on the iphone. I chose the same track as in your example (Ryan Adams). I select my Uniti Atom device. It starts playing on the Atom. I then look at the diagnostics and it shows that it’s still a 320kbs Ogg Vorbis codec.

Any idea what I’m doing wrong?


There’s a bit of extra info in the JSON diagnostics:

      "resources": [
        {
          "uri": "spotify://",
          "mimeType": "audio/ogg",
          "codec": "Vorbis (container: Ogg)",
          "bitRate": 320000,
          "quality": {
            "spotifyHifi": false
          }
        }
      ],

The spotifyHifi: False caught my eye, as that looks like it could be an attribute from, the upstream account. I’ve logged out of spotify via the Naim App and the spotify app, hard rebooted the Atom, logged back in. But it doesn’t change anything. Still vorbis.

I have not read the whole thread, so aplogies if it has been posted.

The Youtuber “Goldensound” claims after testing, that Spotify lossless is not really lossless…

…when connecting via Windows

So if I understand correctly. If you are streaming using a dedicated streamer, like an NDX2 (or other), you get a true bit perfect lossless stream?

not sure tbh, maybe @Stevesky could clarify?

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Or Android where “lossless” gave worse results then the usual Spotify. He measuresd this by measuring the diff-signal. According to “Goldensound” this is due to limitations with Android. He doesnt have any Apple-devices (well, no one is perfect :-)) so none were measured. But Apple Music is both loss- and hi- res and cheaper and pays the artists better, so why bother with Spotify!