It is a very nice piece of kit and has a nice finish.
I had some other upgrades done at the same time, so cannot categorically state it made a significant improvement on its own. However, it was recommended by Peter at Cymbiosis, so for me, that gives it validity.
I can’t help directly, though I note that this topic turns up on an LP12 thread on the pink site more often than here.
Comments there were very positive and I was as considering which top plate option and base option to try. The hope was keeping all the involvement and boogie but with less of a consistent character being applied, plus ideally a bit quieter.
I ended up being offered a full Stiletto (which obviously includes the top plate) with Keel, Skorpion base, Kleos, Radikal and Ekos for a very good price.
It certainly improves the LP12 without getting rid of its virtues imho - the effect was more obvious than a Karousel bearing but not wholly dissimilar, perhaps more like when my ancient sub-chassis was swapped for a Kore. However, this route means I can’t say which upgrade did what.
The key seems to me to be hearing the kit you are considering before you spend too much if you can. I am sure people here will be interested in your conclusion.
I shall make enquiries this morning, and will of course post any thoughts, if it ever gets done.
I shudder to think how much I have spent on the LP12 since I bought it from Subjective Audio almost fifty years ago. Although the fact that I still have it, even though modified beyond all recognition, says something.
A Tangerine Karmen top-plate is such a considerable upgrade it’s puzzling why Linn are still yet to update the original part.
My Karmen was fitted in 2014, and the results all positive; cleaner detail and more focus on musical output. If i remember correctly; the setting up of the prerequisite quiet bounce is a bit easier for the fitter.
You may find it worthwhile talking to dealers like Infidelity and Cymbiosis.
Alternatively, can I suggest calling Theo Stack at Stack Audio, who make potentially relevant parts for LP12s? He is knowledgeable and helpful and quite a few on the pink site rate his products.
I too am surprised that Linn didn’t make a go of offering the 1-piece aluminium option. given Derek Jenkins’ success with it. Perhaps the good-looking wooden box was too iconic to change lightly, or perhaps they are about to announce a 50th anniversary LP12+ for over £25K to sit above the current Klimax version.
Mark and Derek left Tiger Paw to form Tangerine. Roger Hamilton continued Tiger Paw for a number of years until early 2019 as I recall when all contact was lost by his retailers. He was incommunicado The website store did continue for a while afterwards but I believe has gone now.
Sadly Derek passed away very suddenly in May of 2019. He was a good friend of mine and very highly respected throughout the Hi-Fi industry. Just a lovely guy. There was a huge turnout at his funeral from both Naim, Linn Rega and all his other friends, which spoke volumes about how we all felt about him. A huge loss to our industry.
Mark, his business partner continues Tangerine and continues to innovate the range of LP12centric products. The most recent is the Evenstar.
Peter
Clive, that is so similar to my LP12/ARO/Wenge plinth (and NA badge to replace the on/off switch) that I thought that I was looking at my own deck for a moment. The only giveaway is the cartridge.
There have been a few changes since then. The full build is set out in my profile, if you’re interested. Every change I’ve made (actually Peter @Cymbiosis has made) has lifted the performance. Each time I think it can’t possibly get any better, but somehow it does!
Yorkshireman, I have to be neutral out of respect to the Mods. Here is some info but no opinions… added in from me
The Evenstar weights 118 gm, it is machined from a solid billet of aluminium, anodised and finished in satin silver.
The side that makes contact with the vinyl rests on three machined lands. The topside has a machined out recess, which aids weight distribution, and provides a gentle down force.
The point is to stabilise the record on the mat and make the job of the stylus more optimal.
Apparently, there are no adverse affects on the suspension or bearing.
In theory it may help lots of vinyl players, not just the LP12 although this is what it was designed to work with.
I have the Khan, the predecessor to the Karmen, on my deck in silver. It was added by my dealer (Accent on Music) many years ago now as a separate upgrade, and I recall what a difference it made to the sound at the time; snapping it more into focus. No regrets fitting it (and I’ve never bothered listening to the Karmen, so can’t comment on how it compares), but I believe the Khan was a Tiger Paw product and the Karmen came from the Tangerine stable designed by the same people.
I have had the TA Karmen top plate on my LP12 for a couple of years now and love it. It was expertly fitted by Peter at Cymbiosis and is the black anodised finish. I found it a noticeable improvement on the original Linn top plate (that I’d had for 38 years at the time). It delivers a more solid base due to the machining from a solid billet of aluminium (I think?).
My music was more detailed and the whole solidity of the deck was better.
Looks nice in black too.
I would recommend you audition a demo to decide for yourself.
Yes a very much refined product. BTW - related subject; I was with David and Alma (good friends of mine despite the geography) on Monday and I was so glad to see David was doing so well after his motorbike accident a few years ago… It was a big one KR, Peter