My only other source is an AV amp through din connection which is on av bypass but so far can detect usage to prevent going into standby.
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I remember reading somewhere on here that system automation does not work fully when mixing old and new classic. Maybe auto standby is part of that issue?
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I just wonder how the 222 compares to Ndx2/ 252 non dr. Anyone?
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lets gooooooo!lol
Merry Christmas mate
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200/300 Series hardware supports either optical or electrical (as per Old Classic) system automation.
Unified power management is only supported using an optical connection between boxes, and only between 200/300 Series products.
The combined optical/electrical 3.5mm mini jack connection enables the RC5 remote protocol control as per āOld Classicā products when connected with a electrical minijack cable (mono or stereo versions should work the same)
Let me give you another scenario.
I bought nearly new NC222/300/250 for Ā£13k.
NDX2/XPSDR/252/SuperCapDR/300DR = say Ā£14k
I have owned NDS/555DR/252/SuperCapDR/250DR = say Ā£14k
I recon the two OC systems above are broadly similar in performance and second hand cost.
BUTā¦
I also recon the NC system above out-performs both the OC systems!
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I know you had these earlier systems, but how many years, specifically the NDS/555 dr/ 252/ Supercap dr/ 250 dr? 3, 4 or 5 years ago?
And you can from memory compare to 222/300// NC 250.
6 years ago, the former system was around 34 k euros.
The later is 21 k. Naim himself said recently that 332 bare is on 252/ Supercap dr level.
The streamer inside the 222 is between Nd5xs2 and Ndx2. 250 NC is better vs 250 dr, but not night and day however.
So saying that 222/300/250 is above NDS/252/250 dr is very very unlikely, sorry, my opinion.
I heard the full 300 series recently. For me they are well well under 500 series.
I know how sounds NDS / 252/ 300. My dealer had that combo for many years. I prefer it to full 300 series. Not better, similar level, but more involving and organic to my tastes.
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Actually, they said 332 between 282 and 252 
. Now 222 is better than 252.
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Thatās fantastic. I have heard the 200 and 300 series and was more impressed with 332, 333 with 300s and 350s than 222, 300 and 250.
But if it sounds better than maybe I should do another listen. There are quite a few preferring the new classics.
Iāve only recently gone from 82 to 52 and am very much enjoying my mixed Olive, OC and CB system.
The dealers still think the 300 series isnāt as good as a 500 series.
Itās early days with the new classics but they are proving very popular on here.
To be honest I am staying put for now and if I did change would be more interested in 500 series than NC!
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Did Naim officially say that Mike ?
ie: 332 between 282 and 252?
If so Iām staying out 
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Your opinion, mine is differentā¦sorry.
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It was Jason Gould on a demo video on You Tube that was posted here. He said a bare 332 was better than a 282 with 2 hi-caps, but short of a 252, and that with a 300 PS it was above the 252. That was how they described the performance.
In my experience most Naim gear performs well at its relevant price point. Hi-fi gear across the range is only going up in price, so the relative price points are a good indicator.
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Of course, and Iām sure theyāre right, I wouldnāt be surprised if the gap has closed, even if only a little, though.
Those owning OC systems seem to rate them better than NC, and those who own NC seem to rate them better than OC on a so-called like-for-like basis.
Funny thatā¦human nature I guess.
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The new classics are very very good. I have real mix of system. And am very lucky to have what Iāve got. Letās celebrate our wonderful systems.
The New Classics are amazing. But so are all our systems!
Peace and love be with you all.
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Absolutely.
And letās recognise it is impossible to be entirely objective when you are so heavily invested in a particular Naim product line.
Iām sure the same nonsense could be seen on the old forum when Naim moved from Olive to Old Classic.
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Yes I remember this and was wondering the same. Iāll monitor things to see how it goes. Otherwise Iām extremely happy with the 222.
Youāre right Nigel. Noone here can be objective. We become invested in what we buy and believe in it.
I am invested in Olive, CB and OC kit. And I think the NC kit is wonderful.
I have more OC kit than anything else. Maybe thatās my bias and what I seek out. Hence wanting a 500 system.
But this new classic kit is becoming very popular on here.
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Thanks Mike
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