The S1 pre shining bright

Hi @PeterR,

Not sure I did answer your message; I’m under such a heavy load at work…

It would be great to meet and share our experience and journey through this crazy hifi thing, the room treatment part in particular.

It was really fun learning all that stuff. I made so many mistakes :sweat_smile: But ended up achieving a nice result. I’m now making some sketches of what could be a great listening room. But first things first, I need to buy/build the house…

I never had to opportunity to visit South England. You’re not far from the Naim factory I guess? It would be nice to share a glass of wine or, better, some peated whisky :tumbler_glass: (which like, but rarely drink)

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Dear Thomas,

What a lovely response and how about we share a glass of red wine, and you teach me about whiskey, which I have only drunk a handful of times in my life. Clearly I need to educate my taste buds… :rofl:

As for making mistakes, oh yes same here but it seems we have both landed at base camp being happy with what we have achieved. As for visiting you could easily comfortably stay here for a couple of days and we could do a factory visit together. Salisbury is only a 90 minute drive from here. Will contact you :+1:t3:
In the meantime, All the best Peter

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When I turned up at Salisbury they were shocked that I had come all the way from sunny Bolton…

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I think it was the sunny that got them: they didn’t know there were two :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::crazy_face:

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That because the world ends North of Stonehenge lol !!!

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Ah. Not south?

There’s a south ?

Is that anywhere near Notlob Richie ? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Agh the paladrome sketch…yeah :rofl:

Folks, a wee update having just listened to above Blues CD, which is both musically brilliant but also a very fine recording. I thought I’d give it a whirl after a 2 week break from it.
The S1 has now had 200 hours ( 4 weeks in) of music through it.
In both money terms and musical uplift buying the S1 has been the biggest one-off upgrade I’ve ever done.
Following its improvement is indeed fascinating:
If one word would have to describe it, as I was sat listening earlier it would have to be *Authority *. It simply grips the music with an iron fist and lays it out for the listener in a both believable and expansive soundstage. Everything makes sense musically and vocals and instruments sound the most natural I’ve ever laid ears to tbh. It is easy to be impressed by the apparent detail and information but again it is the music that gels and wins the game!
This is not about clever HiFi it is purely about enjoying the musical performance with its sheer in-room presence and dynamics, this allowing the foot to merrily tap away!
I’m sure there is a little more left of the journey, but it literally is replay that has got to be heard to be appreciated.
Very very happy bunny me :hugs: ATB Peter

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Nice to read your threads.
Its seems to me that you really enjoy it.
In your room/system, can you describe,in short, the difference between the 552 vs. S1?
Thank’s

Hi Ditton,
As you can see it stand head and shoulders over the Classic range :wink:

Lots of good things have been said above from other owners about it, so maybe simplest way is to say: “ It does everything better than the 552 and some!”…and of course considering the price, so it should.
:+1:t3: All the best Peter

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Rules please. Thank you.

Sorry Richard :face_with_head_bandage: Best Peter

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Can’t figure out what Peter did wrong.

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It was not just Peter. It was to do with the rule that forbids discussion of unauthorised modifications, which include 3rd party fake SNAICs and Burndy cables.

[Note: Heavily edited, refer to the floor plan further down. Would have been easier to follow if I had amended the picture instead of describing, but I only realized when done :man_shrugging:]

I have an L that is 9x4 m in the large living room part, with the small part of the L being an open kitchen that is 4x3. Height is 3.3 everywhere in the center of the ceiling and 3.1 at the perimeter (imagine the ceiling including a smaller L in the same ratio, and recessed so that it is slightly higher).

The structural outside wall is along the outside of both legs of the L. On the long leg it has two very large windows / doors to terrace, i.e., to the left and the right of the center column where the system is. At the bottom of the picture, the short leg of the L has two more windows/doors, one in the living room part and one in the kitchen part (with yet another column between, not shown in picture).
Apart from the 2 outside walls, the rest is all plasterboard/drywall (more substantial at the kitchen wall to the neighbors of course, but could be a bit better. )

(Only the garage below me, a big factor when choosing the apartment. Above, the real, concrete, ceiling is even higher and the 3.3/3.1m room ceiling is actually lowered drywall suspended from this concrete ceiling, so in all well isolated to upper neighbor).

I found the ~perfect spot for this room but it is the only one that works:

[Right here at the top beyond the drywall is the bedroom. In the living room along this drywall there is a nearly wall-filling book shelf]


[The drywall toward bathroom also has some furniture, vinyl & CD shelves and the like]

As you see, sitting position is such that my back is against the opening to the kitchen, i.e. facing the outside wall where the speakers are placed left and right of the big floor-deep window / terrace door. Giving me mostly 4m behind (apart from a bit of the inside drywall intruding, but it is not directly behind me, min distance is 1.5 m from right ear, anything closer is already the opening to the kitchen). Due to the large L part being narrow, distance from head to each speaker is 2.6, same as between speakers. Speaker baffle to the outside wall is 1m.

Context:

I found that this more complicated shape seems to even out modes compared to a simple box. There is ample space to all walls and also ceiling due its height and sitting relatively close to speakers, naturally creating largish runtime differences between direct and reflected sound. Note that despite the odd shape, if you take my head as the center it is actually pretty symmetrical around the head regarding wall2wall distances and such, but sufficiently different to not have the exact same modes in the 2 parts of the L. I suppose it also helps that the ceiling is not one uniform height.
(Bonus: Can open the windows/doors if I am careful with the volume, removing most modes)

There is a pronounced bass boom in the corners of the kitchen when volume is turned up, but it does not bother me. (I can imagine if there were other people regularly around in the kitchen, it might be a bit annoying. There will be such areas in any room, though)

Like Darkebear, I found speakers placed in front of structural outside wall essential. Placing speakers in front of any of the drywalls sucks all the bass and life out.

Apart from that, placing them at the bedroom drywall and playing into the long L part creates horrible reflections, in part simply because it’s only 4m wide. And if you keep them away from the side walls, the speaker base is way too narrow. Plus, there is a door to the hall to the right and the outside wall to the left is actually mostly the terrace window/ door.

To summarize, an L or other odd shapes can work great, I think that most might, but there may be only one arrangement that works and you may have to design the rest around it. In my case, the columns are lovely but the way they are positioned limits the available options further.

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Very interesting…thanks for including sketch I am sure this could help others… :+1:

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Thanks, I hope so and invested some more work into the posting :slight_smile:

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Very nice scope! And OMG controlled from the chair! I envy you.

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