Yes! A matter of opinion. The brand is looking tired and needs innovation. Enjoy your system : what it is is obviously what you want it to be.
If itâs a matter of opinion, then maybe it doesnât âjust suckâ
I would hate it if Naim became a different brand among others that already exist
Yes. Apart from lack of current upgradeability, what happens if Naim ever updates the 282 or 250DR? What happens if the buyer wants to add a phono stage? And if the buyer can put up with non matching boxes in order to upgrade, surely the trade in grey box will have to be discounted?
It may be a short term cashflow fix for dealers (if Naim prioritise delivering these over black boxes), but the dealer wonât get loyal customers coming back for upgrades. Itâs also against the ethos of good dealers who traditionally demonstrate a number of options, advise on alternative combinations and sell the best system for the customersâ needs. Maybe theyâll just sell these through Harrods and the new lifestyle Focal/Naim store channels?
It may sell, I canât tell, but if people want a non-upgradeable lifestyle system, surely theyâll go with a one or two box product (plus speakers), not a five box product (plus speakers)?
But hey, Iâm sure theyâve done their research, theyâve done their sums, and theyâve considered their significant long term customer base and decided its all for the best. Well - maybe not the last one but then, to quote the late, great Robert Paulson âtwo out of three ainât badâ.
Reflecting on this I suspect that Naim would ideally have liked to celebrate this event with a new range of products, 272/372 and perhaps 250-3 possibly in Uniti/Statement livery, but the current climate precludes against whereas repainting the NDX/282/250 was a relatively simple step.
Regards,
Lindsay
This looks like it belongs on the Death Star.
This is where.
Where does this say that the gray ones will be prioritized?
Didnât say it did but the grey ones are being or been built and people waiting canât get theirs.
Of course you did say that
Wouldnât be advertising if they didnât intend to supply.
So why push product that require DR and there are no DR units to service existing customers equipment.
Wow.
Iâm sure that Polarbear will be thrilled to read this and anyone else waiting.
They announced the Solstice and there was a waiting list of many months. It may be the same here. Or it may not, which is why I asked where you had the information from that these will be prioritized. But clearly you donât have any and made it up
I think the colour scheme is kind of sharp⊠but⊠Iâd never buy it for the reasons stated (inability to upgrade in future due to colour mismatch).
Strikes me as a branding vanity project that makes everyone internally feel good, but wonât move the needle from a business perspective. I also suspect these pieces will be much more difficult for resale or future exchange with dealers due to the colour mismatch problem.
The ones Iâve seen in photographs are obviously built.
I simply pointed out the poignancy of advertising a new product that requires the very DR units that are not currently available for long term customers that have been left waiting.
I donât get any other point other than you like to argue.
You saw five boxes from outside, I think. They may have stuff on the inside, or not. And there may be one example in existence, or they may have built one hundred.
Letâs not get snippy with each other. It seems to me that the issue, if we take the NDX2 as an example, is that itâs hard to get bits for it, so deliveries are taking a long time. Naim now introduce the Tin version. It needs the same bits. Demand increases. Delays increase. People get grumpy. Naim create hassle for themselves. It just seems so obvious that now is not a good time to do this.
Whatâs obvious to me is that whatever Naim do there are a bunch of people whining and seeing Armageddon coming based on zero information.
And God forbid that a commercial entity does anything that increases demand. Unheard of.
Itâs just the normal units with the boxes painted differently. They may get scheduled just like normal deliveries. Or not. We donât know
Iâm sure if one wanted an XPS DR in Tin livery then Naim would oblige as a customised option. Hardly rocket âŠ
Why are some people so binary here?
If youâre not with us youâre against us⊠I donât get it.
I donât particularly like the colours either, but pi**ing on Naim/Focalâs attempts to attract other customers is just silly. Also, donât you think theyâre looking at their supply chain and potential sales projections (which to be fair is a limited market, so probably not too much of an effect on overall sales for this set) and are accounting for it?
Weâre all so smart when weâre on the outside.
My 2c.
According to the press release the system is available now, so unless extra supplies of the components in short supply have been obtained, which seems highly unlikely, building these will delay the production of the standard models and thereby increase the wait time for customers. Whether upsetting customers is a good strategy or not is for each of us to decide.